00:00 Final Episode Setup

01:37 Why Care Matters

04:44 Punch the Monkey Lesson

10:10 COVID Revealed Childcare

12:18 Care in Public Spaces

15:18 Small Town Responsibility

17:29 Losing Care Skills

21:03 Regulation Makes Help Hard

24:58 Alloparenting and Risk

27:09 Discipline and Flexibility

32:58 Self Trust and Authority

35:46 Judging Law as Citizens

37:57 Intuition and Power

39:37 Agency Against Authority

43:49 Systems That Train Compliance

46:21 Civic Solitude and Boredom

49:22 Parenting for Values

59:06 Flourishing Not Comfort

01:01:11 Civic Mindset at Home

01:02:46 Wrap Up and Gratitude

00:00 Welcome to the Podcast + Meet Helen Roy

01:56 Parenting as Civic Life: When Family Becomes Political

02:34 From National Security to Aristotle: Family as the Unit of Civilization

07:06 Meaning in the Concrete: Grand Strategy, Faith, and Subsidiarity

09:25 Is There a ‘Helen Roy Feminism’? Introducing Care Feminism

15:21 Care as Resistance: Black Midwifery and the Politics of Protection

18:04 Why Feminism Still Matters: Rights, History, and Conservative Anti-Feminism

23:53 Women’s Work in Religion & the New Pushback on Women’s Humanity

28:49 Misogyny in Plain Sight: Epstein Files, ‘Smile More,’ and Silencing Women

35:40 Parenting Daughters (and Sons) with Human Dignity in Mind

36:43 Parenting Girls in an Unfair World (and What We Do to Boys Too)

37:33 Raising Kids Not to Abandon Themselves: Inner Voice, God’s Voice & Boundaries

39:53 Body Integrity & Intuition as a ‘Superpower’

42:01 ‘You’re Made for So Much More’: Emotional & Spiritual Integrity in Love

43:32 Writing Advice as Mentorship: The Voice She Needed Growing Up

46:33 Rejecting ‘Pottery Barn Catholicism’ & Fundamentalist Mommy Culture

50:42 Radical Moderation: Escaping Gender Binaries and One-Brand Feminism

52:37 From Extremes to Humility: Motherhood, Trauma, and Letting Go of Certainty

58:08 Grace, Control, and Being ‘Broken Open’ (With or Without Kids)

59:34 Optimism as a Choice: Hope, Destiny, and Closing Reflections

Resources

Helen’s amazing Substack is here: https://helenroy.substack.com/about

Further Reading

Discussed in the episode include Chantal Delsol’s book Icarus Fallen.

00:00 Birth Rates & the Case for Dads Doing More at Home

00:47 Meet the Hosts + Introducing Psychologist Darby Saxbe

02:18 Why Study Fatherhood? Darby’s Origin Story

04:38 Alloparenting 101: Humans as Cooperative Breeders

08:50 Isolation, “What’s Natural,” and the Myth of the 1950s Family

11:33 The Rise of Intensive Parenting (and Why It’s Crushing Parents)

15:28 What’s Really Behind Falling Birth Rates? Money, Stress, and Gender Roles

17:47 Pronatalism vs Antinatalism: How Family Became a Culture-War Issue

25:01 Toxic Narratives on Right and Left: Tradwife vs Girlboss

30:36 Where Are the Men? Fatherhood, Marriage, and the Manosphere

34:04 A Better Model in Academia: When Leadership Supports Parents

34:30 No Parental Leave Policy: Finding an Ally in the Department Chair

35:43 Why Parent Representation in Politics Shapes Family Policy

36:22 When Maternity Leave Depends on One Mentor (and Why That’s a Problem)

37:29 Suspicion Toward Moms, Praise for Dads: The Cultural Double Standard

39:34 Policy Isn’t Everything: Sweden, Incentives, and the Need for Culture Change

41:00 The Real Tradeoffs of Parenting + Where Kids Do (and Don’t) Belong

44:20 South Korea’s No-Kids Signs vs. Mexico’s Child-Delight Culture

48:48 What Family-Friendly Cities Look Like: Denmark, Sweden, Barcelona, Austria

52:48 Zoning, Liability, and the Case for More ‘Beer Gardens with Playgrounds’

55:08 Raising Boys Today: Algorithms, Masculinity, and Teaching Self-Sufficiency

01:00:33 Optimism, Plugs, and Farewell: Care, Realignment, and the New Book

Resources:

Pre-order Darby’s book Dad Brain, coming in June.

Read her current work on her Substack Natal Gazing.

Some other great thinkers on biology and parenting:

Sarah Blaffer Hrdy’s books Mother Nature and Mothers and Others

00:00 The Power of Curiosity

00:43 Introduction of Hosts and Guest

01:30 Peter Gray’s Background and Influence

03:30 The Concept of ‘Good Enough’ Parenting

04:10 Peter Gray’s Journey into Play Research

05:48 The Sudbury Valley School Experience

09:06 Observational Study on Play

14:01 Evolutionary Perspective on Play and Learning

21:19 Challenges in Modern Education and Parenting

32:59 The Flaws of Traditional Schooling

33:40 The Power of Play in Career Development

35:46 Misalignment of Career Aspirations and Interests

40:07 The Increasing Burden of School on Children

43:35 The Criminalization of Common Sense Parenting

50:54 The Democratic Nature of Play

58:58 Optimism for the Future of Education

01:03:11 Final Thoughts and Encouragement for Parents

Resources

Peter Gray’s Substack Play Makes Us Human

Peter’s book Free to Learn

Let Grow website, with resources for families, schools, and policymakers on fostering independent play

00:00 Introduction to Political Centrism and Extremism

00:53 Meet the Hosts: Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall

02:05 Introducing Rob Feld: Documentary Filmmaker

02:38 The Making of ‘Jesters and Fools’

08:19 The Role of Comedians in Discussing Polarization

17:44 Impact of Social Media on Public Discourse

19:23 Challenges in Higher Education and Free Speech

27:28 Navigating Online and Offline Interactions

36:46 The Impact of Online Echo Chambers

38:08 Parenting in the Age of Social Media

45:00 The Role of Outrage in Comedy

52:39 The Importance of Free Speech and Civic Dialogue

01:01:50 Hope and Optimism in a Polarized World

Resources

More about Jesters and Fools, including how to schedule a screening.

Find out more about Rob and his production studio Gotham Arts.

The discussion covers MWEG’s mission, peacemaking principles, and fostering bipartisan cooperation. The episode offers insights on navigating political and social conflicts with dignity, understanding, and practical skills for resilience and change.

00:00 Introduction and Hosts’ Backgrounds

00:49 Guest Introduction: Emma Adams

02:02 Emma’s Journey to Advocacy

03:31 Founding of Mormon Women for Ethical Government

06:34 MWEG’s Mission and Advocacy Areas

08:17 Empowering Women in Leadership

16:09 Peacemaking and Conflict Transformation

20:22 Navigating Political Identity and Engagement

26:20 Challenges and Criticisms of Radical Moderation

35:13 Skills Building and Philosophy

37:02 Parenting and Professional Life

39:55 Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and Parenting

43:45 Political Violence and Community Response

59:38 Hope and Optimism in Challenging Times

Resources

Mormon Women For Ethical Government

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts

01:44 Welcoming Shannon Watson

03:07 Current Political Climate in Minnesota

07:09 Community Engagement and Civic Participation

08:50 Challenges and Emotions Amidst Political Tensions

18:19 Protests and Legal Boundaries

30:36 Law Enforcement and Public Perception

31:57 Behind the Scenes Efforts to Deescalate

33:17 The Importance of Full Investigations

34:14 Law Enforcement and Public Trust

40:56 The Role of Community Organizations

47:45 Building Relationships and Trust

53:16 The Power of Breaking Bread

56:52 Hope and Resilience in Challenging Times

58:37 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

More Resources

The Civic Pledge is at www.whatwecandoweek.org/pledge

Find Majority in the Middle at www.majoritymiddle.org

If you’d like to support Shannon’s depolarization work at Majority in the Middle, consider donating in honor of her birthday at www.majoritymiddle.org/51

Episode 35: Josh Lewis on Classical Conservatism in a MAGA World

Guest: Josh Lewis, founder of Saving Elephants podcast and blog

About Josh:Josh Lewis is a CPA and longtime student of conservative thought who founded Saving Elephants to reignite classical conservatism as a tradition rooted in prudence, gratitude, and community—rather than populism or personality-driven politics. He brings a practical, institution-focused perspective on how enduring conservative ideas can address polarization, civic decay, and the pressures facing younger generations.

Episode Summary:In this wide-ranging conversation, hosts Lauren Hall and Lura Forcum discuss the meaning of conservatism in 2025 with Josh Lewis. They explore why political labels have become more tribal than informative, the unique challenges millennials face in understanding conservative principles, and why prudence has been replaced by winning in modern politics. Josh shares his personal journey of stepping down from state Republican Party leadership in 2016 and offers insights on how we might rebuild a politics centered on long-term thinking rather than short-term gains.

Key Topics Discussed:

Political Labels & Identity

* Why “conservative” is so contested in 2025

* How labels have shifted from informative to tribal and dehumanizing

* The contextual nature of conservatism vs universal ideologies

* Being “politically homeless” in modern America

Millennials & Conservatism

* Why millennials formed their understanding of conservatism during the Bush era

* The impact of the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and 2008 financial crisis on conservative credibility

* How millennials bridge the analog and digital worlds

* The unique economic challenges facing younger generations

Generational Economics

* The structural decisions that created barriers to economic prosperity

* Why “playing by the same rules” doesn’t guarantee the same outcomes anymore

* The role of credentialing, regulation, and crony capitalism

* Student debt and the ecosystem that encouraged it

* Growing inequality within the millennial generation

Prudence vs Winning

* How winning replaced prudence as the core conservative value

* The “invasion of the body snatchers” moment in the Republican Party

* Why prudence requires thinking beyond our own lifetimes

* The tension between conservatism and democracy’s short-term focus

* How conservative institutions (Senate, judiciary) were designed to slow democracy

Trump & the Republican Party

* Josh’s 2016 decision to step down from Republican Party leadership

* The hostile takeover and subsequent transformation of the party

* Finding fellow travelers and maintaining relationships across disagreements

* The distortion field effect of Trump’s demand for loyalty

Structural Reforms

* Removing TV cameras from Senate chambers

* Expanding the House of Representatives

* Reforming the filibuster to require physical presence

* The need for Congress to reclaim its constitutional role

* Why feedback channels in democracy are being cut off

Conservative Intellectual Tradition

* Edmund Burke as the central figure in conservative thought

* Yuval Levin as an accessible modern conservative thinker

* The importance of understanding the French Revolution debates

* Russell Kirk, Thomas Sowell, and William F. Buckley Jr.

* Reading list: 50 conservative thinkers worth your time

Reasons for Optimism

* Unprecedented reduction in global poverty

* Technological and economic progress in recent centuries

* The importance of recognizing how well we’re doing historically

* The risk of losing progress by pretending “we’ve never had it this bad”

Key Quotes:

* “I often tell people I’m a classical conservative in hopes that will throw them off enough to think, well, that adjective’s probably doing a lot of work here.”

* “Conservatism is almost entirely contextual. What are we conserving? I’m not trying to conserve the Ottoman Empire of the 16th century—I’m trying to conserve the American tradition.”

* “We use political labels as shorthand almost exclusively to either say you are on my team, or I don’t like you.”

* “Prudence is not just cold calculating what this is going to get me in the future. It’s wedded to a sense of morals and requires humility and sacrifice.”

* “The modern Republican party has fallen victim to exactly the same kinds of tendencies in democracy that it previously criticized.”

Connect with Josh:

* Saving Elephants podcast and blog (savingelephantsblog.com)

* Edmund Burke’s “Reflections on the Revolution in France”

Resources Mentioned:

* Russell Kirk’s “The Conservative Mind” and “10 Principles of Conservatism”

* Yuval Levin’s “The Great Debate,” “The Fractured Republic,” and “American Covenant”

* Thomas Sowell’s writings

* Jonah Goldberg’s “Suicide of the West”

00:00 Introduction to Social Security Cuts

01:00 Meet the Hosts and Guest

01:53 Overview of Boomer Luxury Communism

02:53 The Misconceptions and Realities of Social Security

05:02 Generational Conflicts and Economic Implications

08:31 The Need for Entitlement Reform

13:42 Challenges in Addressing Social Security Issues

17:50 Political and Economic Consequences

26:01 International Comparisons and Broader Implications

30:10 Healthcare Spending and Its Impact

31:36 Social Security and Wealth Transfer

34:41 Political Incentives and Reform Challenges

37:21 Framing Economic Issues in Moral Terms

40:32 Generational Perspectives on Economic Policies

46:07 The Role of Political Discourse in Society

54:54 Optimism for Future Generational Change

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

01:28 The Future of Universities and AI

03:14 The Crisis in Higher Education

08:35 Trust in Experts and Institutions

15:46 Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Initiatives

22:27 Challenges in Representing Marginalized Voices

32:56 Local vs. National Conversations on Policy

41:33 Closing Thoughts and Optimism

In this episode of ‘We Made This Political,’ hosts Laura Ham and Lauren Hall dive into the complex dynamics of institutional trust with sociologist Musa al-Gharbi. Musa’s book, ‘We Have Never Been Woke,’ which critiques the gap between elite discourse and lived realities, serves as a focal point for discussing the mistrust of experts. The conversation explores Musa’s unique perspective of being an insider-outsider in the academic world, the limitations of symbolic capitalists, and the often overlooked voices of disadvantaged communities. The episode underscores the nuanced challenges and potential opportunities in addressing social inequalities through a critical examination of how elite professions operate.

00:00 Introduction: Why People Mistrust Experts

00:52 Meet the Hosts and Today’s Guest

01:58 Introducing Musa al-Gharbi and His Work

02:37 The Journey of Writing ‘We Have Never Been Woke’

07:42 Defining Symbolic Capitalists

09:17 Reception and Criticism of the Book

16:26 The Role of Language in Social Justice

25:41 The Disconnect Between Symbolic Capitalists and Social Justice

34:58 The Power Dynamics of Symbolic Capitalists

47:07 The Wealth Transfer Dilemma

More Resources

How to order Musa’s book: https://musaalgharbi.com/paperback-edition-we-have-never-been-woke/

A deep dive on the data behind DEI programs and how we might do them better: https://musaalgharbi.com/2020/09/16/diversity-important-related-training-terrible/

A great intro article from Musa’s Substack:

An essay on Musa’s point about selective

Musa’s excellent postmortem on the 2024 election:

A We Have Never Been Woke FAQ, including why taxing billionaires isn’t the silver bullet often claimed:

More info on the next book “Those People”:

00:00 Introduction and Hosts’ Backgrounds

01:33 Series on Political Abuse

02:26 Narcissism in Politics

03:18 Workplace Narcissism and Politics

06:23 Reciprocity in Social and Political Systems

10:23 Narcissistic Political Relationships

19:04 Incentives Against Solving Problems

24:17 The Illiberal System and Voter Disillusionment

25:56 The Distortion of Primaries and Gerrymandering

27:58 Challenges in Political Representation

30:51 Incentives and Burnout in Politics

31:22 The Struggles of Women in Politics

32:38 The Pipeline Problem and Congressional Exit

38:40 The Role of Independent Voters

39:56 The Extractive Nature of Power

43:19 Optimism and Community Engagement

45:42 Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:18 The Writing Process and Ideation Time

01:59 Cal Newport’s Deep Work and Creative Insights

05:21 Overcoming Resistance in Academic Writing

11:09 Dealing with Rejection and Negative Feedback

17:34 The Self as a Resource and Protecting Your Creative Space

21:24 Balancing Reading and Writing in Academic Work

29:48 Protecting the Self in Writing

30:10 Kurt Gray’s Insights on Self and Conflict

31:33 Buddhist Approach to Self and Writing

33:14 Challenges of Writing in the Age of Algorithms

35:12 The Importance of Process Over Outcome

37:49 Writing Projects and Inspirations

40:47 Letters to My Daughters

45:05 Memento Mori and Creative Constraints

48:50 Using Voice Memos and AI for Writing

56:35 Gratitude and Thanksgiving Plans

00:00 Introduction and Opening Thoughts

00:36 Meet the Hosts and Guest

01:43 Introducing Kurt Gray and His Work

02:54 Handling Political Conversations with Family

04:46 The Role of Curiosity in Conversations

08:22 Physiological Responses to Outrage

15:24 Parenting and Managing Big Feelings

17:17 The Importance of Validation in Conversations

21:07 Legitimate Outrage vs. Reactive Outrage

26:16 Perceptions of Harm and Moral Condemnation

30:24 Setting Ground Rules for Difficult Conversations

31:29 The Importance of Beginnings

31:51 Communication Patterns in Families

32:16 Mark Rober’s Friendly Car Horn

33:06 Social Engineering and Road Rage

34:05 The Power of Asking Questions

35:31 Parenting and Moral Emotions

37:00 Relinquishing the Self in Conversations

38:05 Navigating Anger and De-escalation

42:18 Tribalism and Affective Polarization

47:50 Practical Tips for Holiday Conversations

59:37 Optimism in One-on-One Interactions

01:01:56 Conclusion and Where to Find More

00:00 Introduction and Hosts’ Backgrounds

01:00 Origins of the Song Swap Idea

03:05 The Power of Music in Building Connections

05:55 Developing the Format and Future Plans

08:27 Music as a Tool for Bridging Divides

17:00 Surprising Insights from Guests

24:58 Closing Thoughts and Optimism

26:45 Where to Find More Information

More Resources

Shaka’s Substack

The Come Together Music Project Podcast on Spotify

Shaka on music and healing divides on Medium

00:00 Introduction to the Hosts and Podcast

00:52 Welcome to the Come Together Music Project

02:33 Musical Memories: Songs That Remind Us of Friends

15:24 Parenting Theme Songs: Music That Defines Our Parenting Journey

28:12 Parenting Reflections and Daddy Lessons

29:33 Preparing Girls for the Future

30:49 The Complexity of Raising Daughters

32:06 Parenting Playlist and Final Thoughts

32:54 Protest Songs and Their Impact

34:38 Bob Dylan’s Timeless Protest Anthem

41:51 Rage Against the Machine’s Renegades of Funk

46:22 Billy Bragg and Woody Guthrie’s Unwelcome Guest

53:20 Final Reflections and Surprises

58:35 Conclusion and Podcast Information

More Resources

Shaka’s Substack

The Come Together Music Project Podcast on Spotify

Shaka on music and healing divides on Medium

Lenore Skenazy is a journalist and founder of Let Grow.

Over-parenting leads to increased anxiety in children.

Children need opportunities to develop agency and competence.

Cultural shifts have changed how we view parenting and risk.

Legal frameworks often hinder childhood independence.

Play is essential for children’s development and learning.

Parents should encourage independence through practical steps.

The societal implications of over-parenting are significant.

Schools play a crucial role in fostering independence in children.

Community support is vital for changing parenting norms.

Summary

In this conversation, Lauren and Lura talk with Lenore Skenazy to discuss the impact of over-parenting on children’s development, emphasizing the importance of fostering independence and resilience. Skenazy highlights the cultural shifts that have led to increased anxiety among children and the role of schools and legal frameworks in shaping parenting practices. Skenazy advocates for practical steps parents can take to encourage independence in their children, including the importance of play and agency. The discussion also touches on the societal implications of over-parenting and the need for community support in changing parenting norms.

Sound bites

“Everything’s fine.”

“Parents get anxious, kids get anxious.”

“When adults step back, kids step up.”

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Lenore Skenazy and Free Range Kids

02:59 The Impact of Over-Parenting on Children

05:55 Navigating Anxiety in Modern Youth

08:58 The Role of Agency and Competence in Childhood

11:56 The Misunderstanding of Safety and Risk

15:03 Legislative Efforts for Childhood Independence

17:59 The Future of Parenting and Independence

21:54 The Impact of Socioeconomic Factors on Parenting

26:56 Cultural Perceptions of Safety and Parenting

30:54 Empowering Parents to Step Back

35:06 The Importance of Free Play in Child Development

38:55 Empowering Independence in Children

39:24 The Role of Play in Civic Education

41:18 The Importance of Self-Governance

42:05 The Power of Play and Collaboration

44:58 Natural Learning vs. Instruction

46:33 The Flaws in Teaching Methods

49:33 Burnout in Education and Parenting

51:10 Trusting Children to Learn

52:08 Resources for Fostering Independence

Further Reading/Resources

Let Grow, including Lenore’s wonderful (and free!) Four Weeks to a Let Grow Kid guide, is a resource filled with ideas and free resources for kids, parents, communities, and teachers.

Peter Gray’s work on childhood play is fantastic.

Jonathan Haidt’s book The Anxious Generation is a great read.

In this episode of ‘We Made This Political,’ hosts Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall are joined by Laura K. Field, a political theorist and author of the forthcoming book ‘Furious Minds: The Making of the MAGA New Right.’ They discuss the intellectual currents shaping the American right, the state of modern conservatism, and the potential dangers of current political trends. The conversation also covers the roles and challenges of women within conservative circles and the importance of engaging across political divides.

00:00 Introduction and Hosts’ Backgrounds

00:55 Guest Introduction: Laura Field

01:58 Discussing ‘Furious Minds’ and Its Origins

03:13 The Straussian Influence and Conservative Education

04:08 The Rise of Trump and Intellectual Shifts

05:38 Conservative Ideals vs. Modern Realities

10:28 The Radicalization of the Right

21:22 Dehumanization and Political Tactics

31:52 Conservative Rhetoric and Future Ambitions

35:11 Women in Conservative Circles

37:32 Exploring Masculinity in Conservative Movements

38:07 The Role and Status of Women in Conservative Spaces

38:35 Personal Reflections on Gender and Feminism

40:46 Misogyny in Right-Wing Populism

43:30 Philosophical Debates on Gender Equality

48:14 The Crisis of Masculinity and Political Implications

55:24 The Importance of Engagement and Dialogue

01:03:18 Optimism and Final Thoughts

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

01:04 Guest Introduction: Wilk Wilkinson

02:24 Wilk’s Journey to ‘Derate The Hate’

06:28 The Impact of Podcasting and Positive Conversations

08:33 Addressing Toxic Polarization and Bridging Divides

20:16 Challenges in the Bridging Space

27:36 Encouraging Civic Engagement and Real-Life Interactions

32:29 The Importance of Face-to-Face Interactions

34:29 Overcoming Anxiety and Building Confidence

36:11 Misconceptions and Political Divides

39:46 The Power of Everyday Interactions

44:02 Lessons from Personal Experiences

48:37 Parenting and Curiosity

54:34 Challenges in Political Systems

56:45 Leadership and Human Connection

01:01:35 Hope for a United Future

More Resources:

Listen to Wilk’s podcast here: https://deratethehate.com/

Find a local Braver Angels chapter and get involved here: https://braverangels.org/

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

00:52 Exploring the Toxicity of Politics

01:25 Relationship Metaphors in Politics

03:38 Gaslighting in Politics

22:51 Political Narcissism and Abuse of Power

29:01 Trauma Bonding with Political Parties

31:46 Survivors’ Reactions to Crisis

32:37 Parenting and Political Choices

33:31 Attachment Theory and Politics

35:51 Ingroup and Outgroup Dynamics

38:09 Breaking the Cycle of Political Abuse

40:50 Boundaries and Accountability in Politics

45:45 Demanding Real Solutions from Politicians

52:09 The Role of Media in Political Dynamics

55:36 Optimism and Positive Directions

01:02:07 Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

In this episode of ‘We Made This Political,’ hosts Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall are joined by political scientist Lee Drutman to discuss his insights on breaking the two-party doom loop in American politics. Drutman shares his journey into political science, the influence of business lobbying on Congress, and the centralization of power that contributes to hyperpartisan polarization. The conversation delves into how primary reforms and rank-choice voting fall short, advocating instead for proportional representation and fusion voting. They also touch on the importance of rebuilding community and social infrastructure to foster healthier democratic engagement. This episode provides a comprehensive look at the challenges and potential solutions to America’s political dysfunction.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

01:57 Lee Drutman’s Background and Career

04:56 The Influence of Lobbyists in Congress

08:57 The Two-Party Doom Loop

09:48 Gerrymandering and Political Polarization

21:37 The Role of Leadership and Dehumanization in Politics

28:14 The Impact of Corporate Lobbying on Polarization

31:09 Government Shutdowns and Political Strategy

36:19 Democrats’ Struggle with Messaging

37:41 Trump’s Transformation of the Republican Party

38:51 The Power of In-Group and Out-Group Dynamics

40:49 The Importance of Fun in Politics

44:41 Challenges of Coalition Management

52:56 The Need for Electoral Reform

56:26 Rebuilding Community and Social Infrastructure

01:07:21 The Complexity of Political Systems

01:09:33 Ending on a Hopeful Note

00:00 Welcome and Introduction of Andrew Heaton

00:49 Heaton’s Journey: From Comedy to Politics

01:40 The Rise of Tribalism in Comedy and Politics

04:54 The Impact of Humor on Political Discourse

07:39 Navigating Offensive Humor and Intent

09:41 The Role of Political Humor in Media

21:41 Humor as a Tool for Building Trust and Connection

32:08 The Evolution of Comedy in a Polarized World

35:38 The Challenges of Political Satire

36:14 The Evolution of Political Comedy

37:14 Audience Reactions to Political Jokes

38:56 The Impact of Political Polarization

46:50 Gerrymandering and Political Representation

56:35 Optimism for the Future

01:04:40 Closing Remarks and Self-Promotion

00:00 Introduction to the American Dream and Economic Rights

01:02 Meet the Hosts and Guest Introduction

03:26 Anastasia Bowden’s Journey and Passion for Law

05:32 The Importance of Empathy in Law

07:10 The Role of Process and Procedure in Legal Systems

10:56 Economic Rights vs. Civil Rights

21:32 The Impact of Certificate of Need Laws

32:17 The Impact of Certificate of Need Laws

33:36 A Personal Story: Hasidic Women’s EMT Service

34:56 The Bipartisan Agreement on Certificate of Need Laws

37:52 Challenges in Repealing Entrenched Laws

42:03 The Regulatory Thicket and Its Impact on Small Businesses

45:59 The Courage of Entrepreneurs

47:12 The Role of Constitutional Lawsuits

51:49 The Human Cost of Regulations

59:29 Hope in Local Community Actions

00:00 Introduction and Overview

00:07 Discussing Charlie Kirk's Assassination

02:04 Public Figures and Perception

03:56 Speech, Harm, and Political Violence

05:52 Dehumanization and Empathy

08:08 Manipulation and Tribalism

09:01 Ideological Violence and Alienation

11:07 Complexity of Political Beliefs

14:14 Youth Alienation and Radicalization

21:14 Cancel Culture and Free Speech

25:26 Factions and Freedom

26:53 Conservative Contradictions and Political Hypocrisy

27:55 The Importance of Experiencing Opposing Views

29:14 First Amendment and Free Speech

29:46 The Role of the Supreme Court in Protecting Speech

30:28 Government Pressure on Private Entities

33:54 Polarization and Tribalism in Politics

37:16 The Need for Genuine Conversations

46:26 The Impact of Political Identity on Society

50:25 Hope for Civil Society and Positive Interactions

Additional Resources

Join hosts Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall in this episode of 'We Made This Political' as they engage in a dynamic discussion with Jeff Mayhugh, author of the Politics and Parenting Substack. Jeff, a political theorist, poet, and small business owner, shares his thoughts on the need to expand the House of Representatives to better serve the American populace. Drawing from his personal journey, Jeff elaborates on the current challenges in political representation, his advocacy through the No Cap Fund, and the parallels between political leadership and parenting. The episode delves into the intricacies of representation, the unintended consequences of policy, and the importance of facilitating a government that truly listens and acts for its people.

00:00 Introduction and Hosts' Backgrounds

00:54 Introducing the Special Guest: Jeff

01:57 Jeff's Career Path and the No Cap Fund

07:18 The Concept of Representation

10:36 Challenges in Modern Representation

25:00 Historical Context and Modern Implications

34:35 The Importance of Diverse Voices in Governance

35:34 Historical Anecdotes and Representation

37:43 Challenges in Healthcare Representation

39:52 The Complexity of Modern Governance

41:08 The Impact of Technology on Society

52:06 The Role of Parenting in Shaping Governance

01:00:38 Optimism for Expanding Representation

01:02:02 Conclusion and Call to Action

Resources

The New Buzzword in America: Representation, by Jeff Mayhugh, The Vital Center, September 4, 2025

Do the Math: America’s Representation Ratio is All Wrong, by Jeff Mayhugh, The Hill, August 27, 2025

00:00 Welcome to the Live Episode

00:34 Introducing Kristi Kendall

02:02 Kristi's Journey into Media

05:28 The Role of a Producer

07:14 Impact of Storytelling in Media

11:35 Media's Influence on Parenting

15:48 Risk Perception and Media Responsibility

21:49 Encouraging Civil Discourse

29:32 The Skillset for Effective Interaction

29:57 False Consensus and Airport Behavior

30:28 Cultivating Curiosity in Parenting

31:41 Children's Interests and Storytelling

32:22 Civil Discourse and Media Perception

34:01 Introducing the Movie 'Undivided Us'

35:30 The Impact of Fear and Social Isolation

38:02 Friendships Across Divides

39:40 Rafting for Depolarization

52:24 The Power of Perspective Swapping

54:40 Optimism About the Next Generation

Join us as we chat with Nico Perrino, Executive Vice President of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). We dive into Nico's journey into free speech advocacy, his work at FIRE, and the organization's evolution. Nico shares thought-provoking insights into the importance of free speech on college campuses, the challenges posed by cancel culture, and how FIRE maintains its nonpartisan stance. We also discuss how free speech principles intersect with parenting and the significance of teaching young people to navigate pluralistic societies. Plus, Nico offers an optimistic look at the future, drawing lessons from historical battles for free expression.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Bio

01:23 Nico's Journey into Free Speech Advocacy

02:57 Fire's Mission and Evolution

04:24 The Importance of Free Speech in Democracy

07:35 Challenges and Hypocrisy in Free Speech

17:09 The Role of Universities in Promoting Free Speech

31:43 Ira Glasser's Brooklyn Upbringing

32:45 Helicopter Parenting and Moral Dependency

34:22 Parenting and Free Speech

36:22 Contextual Speech and Social Awareness

38:35 Tribalism in Politics and Society

41:05 Nonpartisan Movements and Political Discourse

46:21 Challenges of Free Speech Advocacy

51:10 Navigating Cancel Culture

54:55 Curiosity and Understanding in Difficult Conversations

59:02 Historical Perspective on Free Expression

01:00:00 Conclusion and Optimism for the Future

00:00 Introduction and Hosts' Backgrounds

00:49 Guest Introduction: Daniel and the Beacon Project

02:41 Understanding Political Polarization

06:08 The Exhausted Majority and Its Potential

11:45 The Role of Agency and Responsibility

24:22 Community Engagement and Collective Effervescence

35:05 The Importance of Bottom-Up Cultural Change

36:51 Creating Spaces for Community Engagement

40:24 Impact of the Pandemic on Social Habits

43:20 The Role of Friction in a Meaningful Life

51:22 Parenting and Agency in Children

57:24 The Beacon Project and Civic Responsibility

01:01:47 Optimism Amidst Chaos

Additional Resources

Daniel and the Beacon Project on Substack

More in Common

The Beacon Project

The great article on political moderates by Dr. Anthony Fowler, et. al.

In this episode of 'We Made This Political,' hosts Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall welcome back Dr. Kristen Kroll, Professor of Developmental Biology at Washington University, St. Louis, to discuss the multifaceted challenges faced by women in academia—especially in the STEM fields. They delve into the impacts of political decisions on scientific research and healthcare, highlighting issues of equity, access, and the systemic barriers that persist. Despite the current political climate and budget cuts, the conversation remains hopeful, emphasizing the importance of humanizing academia, supporting work-life balance, and fostering a nurturing, inclusive environment for all scholars.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

01:25 Recap of Previous Discussion

02:06 Current Challenges in Academia and STEM

06:24 Impact of Political Decisions on Healthcare

10:43 Women's Reproductive Rights and Healthcare

22:56 Gender Issues in Academia

34:30 Balancing Parenthood and Academia

35:51 Navigating Tenure and Family Life

37:24 Challenges of Maternity Leave in Academia

39:40 Supportive Environments and Human Connections

41:56 Structural Changes for a Humane Academia

47:44 The Importance of Work-Life Balance

01:00:14 Hope for the Future of Academia

01:04:25 Podcast Outro and Call to Action

Additional Resources

Kristen’s Substack is Democracy, Social Justice, Education, and the Common Good.

You can find her research and academic work on the Washington University website.

Kristen discusses The Exceptions, a book about female scientists at MIT in the 1960s and the institutional sexism they faced. Read more about this book by author and journalist Kate Zernike here.

00:00 Balancing Compliance and Free Thinking in Parenting

00:43 Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts

01:32 Back to School: Challenges and Tips

03:17 Parenting Styles and School Conflicts

05:57 Navigating Systems and Norms

07:07 Ambivalence Towards School Systems

08:30 The Role of Bureaucracy in Education

11:01 Teaching Kids to Navigate Different Contexts

17:26 The Decline of Unstructured Play

18:24 Safety Perceptions and Children's Independence

23:15 Understanding Random Crime and Statistical Reasoning

24:20 The Downside of Overprotecting Children

24:49 The Importance of Parental Failures

26:22 Cognitive Biases and Negativity Bias in Parenting

27:42 Socioeconomic Factors in Parenting Anxiety

31:12 The Role of Responsibility in Reducing Anxiety

34:01 Challenges in Youth Employment and Volunteering

34:45 Navigating Differences and Conflict Resolution

41:10 The Concept of Anti-Fragility in Parenting

43:53 Optimism and Reflections on Parenting

Additional Resources

Jonathan Haidt’s Anxious Generation (on anti-fragility in parenting)

Lenore Skenazy’s Let Grow (on free-rage kids)

Rob Henderson’s work on luxury beliefs (like being anxious about pregnancy and parenting)

Musa al-Gharbi’s We Have Never Been Woke (on asking hard questions about the motivations and impact of social justice efforts)

D.S. Winnicott’s work on the Good Enough Mother (Parent) (on how being the perfect parent crowds out opportunities for kids to develop competence and agency) [Also, sincere apologies from Lura — she attributed this idea to Heinz Kohut, who is renowned for self psychology and not the Good Enough Mother.]

00:00 Introduction and Overview

00:48 Meet the Hosts and Guest

01:43 Kristen Kroll's Academic Journey

02:40 Advancements in Developmental Neurobiology

04:19 Challenges in Research Funding

06:47 The Impact of Federal Funding Cuts

07:53 Public Perception and Misinformation

10:44 The Role of Advocacy in Science

12:59 The Complexity of Modern Science

16:54 The Threat to Academic Integrity

20:21 The Future of Scientific Research

35:41 The Complexity of Modern Research

36:41 Challenges in Healthcare Policy

37:28 The Issue of Paywalls in Scientific Publishing

37:58 The Financial Burden of Publishing

40:27 The Role of NIH Public Access Policy

42:23 Diversity and Access in STEM

43:28 The Future of Academia and Career Advice

45:35 The Impact of Politics on Science

48:19 The Importance of Representation in Science

48:57 Kristen's Advocacy and Outreach Efforts

51:29 Closing Remarks and Future Discussions

01:09:56 Dismantling Expertise in American Institutions

01:11:53 Political Motivations Behind Budget Cuts

01:13:13 The Rise of Techno-Fascism

01:15:15 Challenges in Communicating Science

01:19:01 Complexity in Modern Science and Academia

01:28:33 The Predatory Nature of Scientific Publishing

01:33:28 Advice for Women and Marginalized Groups in STEM

01:39:16 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions

Additional Resources

Kristen’s Substack is Democracy, Social Justice, Education, and the Common Good

You can find her research and academic work on the Washington University website.

Additional Resources

Check out Christina’s book Curious to read her story in more detail.

Connect with End it for Good to find out more about changing the way we think about drug addiction.

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction and Hosts' Backgrounds

00:57 Introducing the Guest: Christina Dent

01:52 Christina's Journey and Perspective on Addiction

04:54 The Complexity of Addiction and Health-Centered Approaches

08:57 Community Engagement and Book Discussions

15:33 Advocacy and Creating Safe Spaces for Dialogue

24:51 Challenges and Rewards of Vulnerable Advocacy

32:41 The Importance of Bipartisan Solutions

34:14 Finding Common Ground to Save Lives

34:29 Innovative Approaches to Addiction Treatment

35:19 The Power of Agency and Choice

36:35 Family Support and Non-Coercive Methods

38:39 The Effectiveness of Harm Reduction Programs

39:11 Understanding the Addict's Perspective

41:11 Empathy and Personal Stories in Advocacy

41:49 Challenging Ideological Positions

47:30 The Role of Emotions in Policy Discussions

50:11 Investment Aversion and Personal Connection

57:45 The Complexity of Addiction and Parenting

01:02:03 Hope and Community Action

01:07:56 Conclusion and Resources

In this episode, Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall are joined by Dan Vallone, a veteran and expert in depolarization work, who shares his experiences and insights on bridging divides, based on his work with More In Common and his military background. The conversation also touches on the challenges and rewards of parenting, the significance of genuine local engagement, and the hope for a more unified societal future.

00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks

01:26 Guest Introduction: Dan Vallone

02:43 Dan Vallone's Journey to Depolarization Work

03:40 The Role of Veterans in Depolarization

04:24 Challenges and Successes in Local Community Work

10:14 Military Service and Its Impact on Bridge Building

16:29 The Disconnect Between Military and Civilian Life

25:20 The Importance of Political Pluralism

34:58 The Importance of Diverse Perspectives in Politics

36:21 The Exhausted Majority: Who Are They?

39:21 Challenges Faced by the Exhausted Majority

41:00 The Role of Independents in Politics

44:19 Parenting Lessons from the Military

50:03 Embracing Hardships for Personal Growth

55:02 Reflections on American Patriotism and History

01:00:47 Closing Thoughts and Optimism for the Future

Further reading and resources:

Find Dan at danvallone.com

Hosts: Lura Forcum & Lauren HallGuest: Veronique de Rugy, Senior Research Fellow, Economist, and French-American parent

About Our Guest:Veronique de Rugy is a Senior Research Fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, where she also holds a chair in economics. Originally from France, she earned her PhD in economics there before moving to the United States to complete her dissertation at George Mason. Veronique is a leading expert on budgetary and tax issues, government spending, and cronyism, and has worked at prominent policy organizations including the Cato Institute and the American Enterprise Institute. She is a prolific writer and commentator, known for her clear, data-driven analysis and her advocacy for free markets and limited government. In addition to her policy work, Veronique brings a unique perspective as a French-American parent raising two daughters in the US.

Episode Summary:In this episode, Lura and Lauren are joined by Veronique de Rugy for a candid conversation about parenting, policy, and the cultural contrasts between French and American approaches to raising children. Veronique shares her journey from France to the US, her experiences as an economist and policy expert, and the challenges and surprises of raising two daughters in America.

Timestamps & Highlights:

* 00:00 – Introduction: Meet the hosts and today’s guest, Veronique de Rugy

* 01:00 – Veronique’s background: From France to the US, economics, and policy work

* 03:15 – Raising children in America: French heritage, language, and identity

* 05:30 – French vs. American parenting: Sleep training, boundaries, and guilt

* 13:00 – Navigating cultural expectations and finding a parenting style that works for everyone

* 16:00 – The role of guilt, enrichment, and “doing it all” in modern parenting

* 22:00 – Nature vs. nurture, resilience, and the limits of parental control

* 29:00 – Implicit vs. explicit rules in families and society

* 34:00 – How systems (education, healthcare) shape family life and individual choices

* 44:00 – COVID-19, education, and the tension between what’s best for kids vs. the system

* 54:00 – The realities of working parents, guilt, and making it all work

* 1:05:00 – Adulthood, parenting through transitions, and the lifelong role of parents

* 1:09:00 – The joys and challenges of parenting, declining fertility, and what we wish we could communicate to future parents

* 1:13:00 – Final thoughts: Parenting as a transformative, humbling, and deeply meaningful experience

Mentioned in this episode:

* Brian Kaplan’s book Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids

* Catherine Pakaluk’s book Hannah’s Children

* The impact of COVID-19 on education and family life

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Recommendations for celebrating include listening to Aaron Copland's music and reading Frederick Douglass's speech, 'What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?'

00:00 Introduction and Guiding Questions

00:11 Defining Patriotism in 2025

00:42 Local Celebrations and Community Spirit

04:39 The Importance of Intergroup Contact

08:39 Challenges of Modern Socialization

10:26 Hosting Community Events

15:27 Historical Context and Moral Ambiguity

22:14 Parenting and Societal Expectations

30:11 Local vs. National Politics

36:58 Exploring Race Relations and Social Behavior

37:04 Acts of Kindness in Airports

38:00 Reflecting on American Values and Utopianism

39:17 Polarization and Perception of America

41:28 Immigrants' Perspective on America

46:14 The Role and Power of the President

55:40 The Importance of Local Communities

57:18 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background

01:46 Early Experiences with Pluralism

06:10 Academic and Professional Journey

07:56 The Pluralism Summit and Practical Applications

12:09 Fostering Curiosity and Engagement

14:56 The Pluralist Lab Explained

17:26 Challenges in Political Dialogue

27:17 The Role of Competition and Cooperation

28:14 Understanding Political and Affective Polarization

28:48 Breaking Down Meta Perceptions

30:02 The Complexity of Human Interactions

32:21 Parenting and Virtues

33:52 Balancing Virtues in Society

36:20 The Importance of Pluralism

40:39 Feedback and Perspective Taking

49:06 Optimism and Hope for the Future

William Glass is communications director of the Millennial Debt Foundation, based in Chattanooga, TN. He heads up the In the Black license plate program and hosts the podcast Gross Domestic Problem, among other activities.

He has nearly a decade of experience building brands in e-commerce spaces and a few political campaigns under his belt.

Show Notes: Navigating the National Debt with William Glass

In this episode, we're joined by William Glass, Communications Director at the Millennial Debt Foundation. Our discussion dives deep into the complexities of the national debt, exploring its implications and connections to broader societal issues like political polarization and economic instability.

Glass explains the significant role entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid play in driving national debt. He also discusses the pressing need for entitlement reform and the potential for modernization and innovation to address these fiscal challenges.

The conversation highlights the importance of balancing fiscal responsibility with ensuring support for vulnerable populations, painting a hopeful picture of how innovative approaches and robust economic strategies could pave the way for a more stable future.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction

03:17 Discussing the National Debt

08:07 Entitlement Programs and National Debt

14:08 Millennials and Fiscal Policy

21:09 Military Spending and Fiscal Challenges

22:33 Budget Politics and Military Spending

23:30 Entitlement Programs vs. Military Spending

24:11 Government Efficiency and Military Procurement

24:33 The F-35 Program and Military Spending Critique

25:39 The Challenge of Addressing the National Debt

30:45 The Complexity of Healthcare Costs

36:58 The Role of Innovation in Solving Economic Issues

41:53 The Potential of Corporate Disruption in Healthcare

44:14 Concluding Thoughts and Resources

Further Reading

Another non-partisan source on the deficit and budget is Romina Boccia of CATO. She also writes the Debt Dispatch on Substack.

Join us as we discuss the challenges of managing personal and professional lives amid the current chaotic world events. We delve into balancing bureaucracy in education with what's happening nationally, the impact of continuous news cycles, and the 'flood the zone' strategy. We talk about federalism's role in resisting authoritarianism, the importance of maintaining neutral spaces, and the significance of understanding and connecting with people from differing political spectrums. Strategies for fostering civil dialogue and preserving the dignity of all individuals are key themes. Expect optimism, concrete thoughts, and a long-awaited kid bomb!

00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:20 Balancing Personal and Professional Life

01:30 Managing Digital Distractions

02:46 Overwhelming News Cycles

03:39 Current Events and PR Strategies

04:36 Flood the Zone Strategy

06:05 Misinformation and Protests

09:06 Accountability and Transparency in Government

17:13 Federalism and Local Governance

20:09 Ingroup and Outgroup Dynamics

22:49 Toxic Polarization and Political Accountability

29:02 The Role of Federal Government Power

30:30 Liberal Institutions and Neutrality

30:59 The Importance of Due Process and Liberal Institutions

31:37 Toxic Polarization and Dehumanization

33:14 Short-Circuiting Dehumanization Through Dialogue

34:46 The Role of Online Spaces in Political Conversations

38:30 Understanding and Engaging with Different Perspectives

46:07 The Power of Neutral Spaces and Institutional Neutrality

53:50 The Radical Concept of Human Dignity

56:54 Optimism and Building a Better Civil Society

Sources Cited

“One story for the public, another for the courts” (The Preamble, by Sharon McMahon)

Ep. 06: Building Resilient Communities with Seth Kaplan

In this episode of 'We Made This Political,' we talk with Seth Kaplan, an expert on fragile states, social cohesion, and community resilience. We discuss Kaplan's work, including his book 'Fragile Neighborhoods: Repairing American Society One Zip Code at a Time.' The conversation covers Kaplan's transition from studying international communities to focusing on American neighborhoods, the importance of strong local institutions, and practical steps for building trust and connectedness in communities. Kaplan emphasizes the need for local engagement, stewardship, and the benefits of a localized approach to creating healthier societies.

00:00 Introduction and Hosts

00:31 Guest Introduction: Seth Kaplan

01:26 Seth Kaplan's Journey and Work

04:03 Community Dynamics and Social Cohesion

10:20 Trust and Social Interaction

17:28 Government Decentralization and Community Empowerment

28:33 Neighborhood Design and Social Innovation

35:15 Gardening as a Metaphor for Community Growth

36:14 The Importance of Relationships in Politics

37:17 Top-Down vs. Bottom-Up Politics

38:13 Historical Context: Local vs. National Focus

43:43 Revitalizing Segregated Neighborhoods

49:58 Building Trust and Overcoming Challenges

52:12 Practical Steps for Community Engagement

58:20 Optimism and Future of Local Civil Society

01:06:13 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Join us as we chat with Shannon Watson, founder of the nonprofit Majority in the Middle. We discuss the challenges of political partisanship, the importance of civic education, and how we can create spaces for constructive political engagement. Shannon shares insights on demographic shifts, the personal impacts of running for office, and the power of positive reinforcement in political discourse.

Tune in to learn about making politics more inclusive and less adversarial.

*There are a couple places where the audio in this episode is not ideal because Shannon was recording from a busy space for unavoidable (and very good!) reasons. Thanks for overlooking the audio imperfections so we can keep getting fantastic guests with busy lives like Shannon.

What You Can Do Today

Send an email or public social media comment to a public servant or politician you think is doing a great job doing bipartisan or bridging work. With so much negativity bias in politics, the folks who are doing the work of reaching across divides don’t hear enough (or any!) positive reinforcement when they’re doing the right thing. Those public messages of encouragement and support matter!

Books and resources we talk about and/or recommend:

What’s the Matter with Kansas (older book on voting behavior)It Takes a Candidate (women and political office)

Show Notes

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome

01:20 Shannon Watson's Background and Majority in the Middle

02:13 Defining the Middle and Civic Education

04:04 Personal Political Journeys

05:47 Family Political Dynamics

10:06 Political Polarization and Social Media

13:42 The Origin of Majority in the Middle

19:21 Challenges in Political Participation

20:40 Structural Partisanship in Legislatures

23:17 Encouraging Collaboration in Politics

26:05 Politics as Relationships vs. Power

27:39 Reflecting on Values and Intentional Storytelling

28:23 The Role of Media and Universities in Shaping Public Perception

29:07 Congress and the Attention Economy

30:01 Activists vs. Jurors in Politics

34:53 Challenges of Political Moderation and Independent Voters

44:09 Local Government and Nonpartisan Roles

48:58 Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions

00:00 Introduction and Host Introductions

00:36 Meet Austen Campbell: Founder of the Independent National Coalition

01:28 The Appeal of Independent Politics

03:28 Challenges and Litmus Tests for Independent Candidates

07:53 Historical Context and Growth of Independent Movements

12:19 Moderation, Centrism, and Independent Identity

18:07 Problem Solving and the Future of Independent Politics

24:36 Common Sense Immigration Policy

24:56 Challenges of the Two-Party System

25:24 Hope in Local Politics

26:03 Electoral Reforms and Obstacles

27:54 The Role of Morally Aligned Leaders

29:04 Career vs. Celebrity Politicians

34:01 The Value of Citizens Assemblies

35:17 Barriers to Participation

41:34 Experiencing the System Firsthand

43:41 The Impact of Technology on Politics

46:08 Optimism and Community Values

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In this introductory episode, Lura and Lauren discuss their goals, backgrounds, and what listeners can expect. The podcast aims to explore the intersections of modern life and politics, drawing on their diverse academic and personal experiences. They touch on parenting, polarization, and the need for better political discourse, setting the stage for future episodes.

Expect candid conversations, tech hiccups, and even some pet and kid interruptions.

00:00 Welcome to Our New Podcast!

00:58 Meet Your Hosts: Lura and Lauren

02:02 Diving into Our Backgrounds

05:24 Parenting and Politics: A Unique Intersection

11:24 The Importance of Constructive Conversations

17:59 Hopeful Moments and Closing Thoughts

In the second episode of 'We Made This Political,' hosts Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall explore the concepts of control versus agency through the lenses of political science, psychology, and parenting.

We discuss Mel Robbins' book 'The Let Them Theory' and its relevance to reducing anxiety by relinquishing control. We delve into psychological theories like illusory control, locus of control, and reactance to explain how people respond to attempts at control. The conversation also touches on the implications of these ideas for public policy, highlighting the necessity of understanding people's behaviors and motivations before attempting to change them.

The episode emphasizes the importance of personal interactions in overcoming polarization and advocates for a bottom-up approach to building community trust.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview

01:10 Exploring Control vs. Agency

01:20 Mel Robbins' 'Let Them Theory'

04:56 Psychological Concepts: Illusory Control and Reactance

10:09 Parenting and Control Dynamics

18:06 Nudge Theory in Policy and Parenting

27:22 The Complexity of Retirement Savings

28:04 The Role of the State in Retirement Planning

29:06 Communicating Policy Effectively

29:57 Understanding Human Behavior in Policy Making

31:46 Polarization and Policy Interventions

34:39 Ingroup and Outgroup Dynamics

43:49 The Importance of Face-to-Face Interactions

49:19 Parenting and Policy Parallels

51:12 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions