<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd"><channel><title><![CDATA[Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Renew Democracy Initiative and The Next Move are excited to bring you Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.

In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser will showcase the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics. <br/><br/><a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/s/older-wiser-podcast?utm_medium=podcast">www.thenextmove.org</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/s/older-wiser-podcast</link><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 06 May 2026 13:26:24 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/4398493/s/282134.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><author><![CDATA[Linda Chavez]]></author><copyright><![CDATA[Next Move]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[thenextmove@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:new-feed-url>https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/4398493/s/282134.rss</itunes:new-feed-url><itunes:author>Linda Chavez</itunes:author><itunes:subtitle>Exclusive content for paid subscribers of The Next Move.</itunes:subtitle><itunes:type>episodic</itunes:type><itunes:owner><itunes:name>Linda Chavez</itunes:name><itunes:email>thenextmove@substack.com</itunes:email></itunes:owner><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:category text="News"><itunes:category text="Politics"/></itunes:category><itunes:category text="Government"/><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/s/282134/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/><item><title><![CDATA[Tim Miller: Is Hasan Piker Friend or Foe?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>This week, Linda speaks to Tim Miller, political commentator and host of <em>The Bulwark Podcast</em>. Recently, Tim has been at the center of a debate regarding the boundaries of the “Big Tent” fight against MAGA. In this episode, he and Linda discuss whether someone like the controversial far-left streamer Hasan Piker is friend or foe.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/tim-miller-is-hasan-piker-friend</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:195287763</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Tim Miller]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2026 13:15:47 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/195287763/0480567eca2e3413d802b834957d731f.mp3" length="31131418" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Tim Miller</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>1946</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/195287763/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[Leaving the American Dream for Ukraine]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Join Garry Kasparov for a premium subscriber-exclusive Zoom conversation with former White House Attorney Ty Cobb, moderated by RDI CEO Uriel Epshtein. Coming up on Thursday, April 30 at 5pm ET/2pm PT. </em></strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/an-insiders-perspective-on-the-trump"><strong><em>Click here to register</em></strong></a><strong><em>.</em></strong></p><p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to bring you <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.</p><p>This week, Linda speaks to Issac Luna (Olvera), a former US Marine who left a comfortable life in Texas to volunteer to serve in  the Ukrainian military. Issac reflects on his Mexican heritage, his service in the Marine Corps after 9/11, and his decision to leave it all behind to fight for Ukraine after Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. Along with his personal story, he and Linda discuss Ukraine’s resilience and America’s role in the war—topics he explores further in his memoir, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.amazon.com/Reckoning-Dreams-Fire-American-Invasion/dp/B0GCLZXNGC"><em>Reckoning Dreams and Fire: Leaving the American Dream to Fight Russia’s Invasion</em></a><em>.</em></p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If you’re not yet a premium subscriber and you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work,</strong> there’s never been a better time to join our community. This month marks one year of <em>The Next Move, </em>and, to celebrate, we’re offering <strong>30% off of premium subscriptions </strong>now through the end of April.</p><p>Please consider upgrading your subscription—all proceeds go directly toward advancing the work of the Renew Democracy Initiative. Premium subscribers receive invitations to exclusive Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders, early access to podcasts, and other perks.</p><p>Your support drives the work of the Renew Democracy Initiative, including bringing <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/watch-its-time-for-americans-to-hear"><strong>political dissidents</strong></a> to meet students, business leaders, and elected officials, as well as providing humanitarian assistance to frontline communities in Ukraine. Click here for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/i/190072683/an-update-on-the-renew-democracy-initiatives-work-in-ukraine"><strong>an update</strong></a> on our on-the-ground work in Ukraine.</p><p><strong>ICYMI: Tune in to last week’s episode of Older/Wiser:</strong></p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/leaving-the-american-dream-for-ukraine</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:194456132</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Issac Olvera]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:45:09 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/194456132/7ea83a9af9ea988f8f294b31f930ffc3.mp3" length="34958253" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Issac Olvera</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2185</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/194456132/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Future of Venezuela]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>With national attention on Iran, Linda and Elliott Abrams revisit Trump’s earlier intervention: Venezuela. What are the administration’s goals in Venezuela? Months later, are we seeing progress? What could the future of Latin America look like?</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/the-future-of-venezuela</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:193695688</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move and Linda Chavez]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2026 13:45:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/193695688/727a94b43c368d79958c8844c72817fa.mp3" length="30758181" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move and Linda Chavez</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>1922</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/193695688/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[Is Bill Kristol Still a Neocon?]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>This week, Linda speaks with Bill Kristol, co-founder and editor of <em>The Bulwark</em> and an advisory board member at RDI. Though they both led careers as prominent conservatives, Linda and Bill have split from the Republican Party. Here, they discuss how they reached their current political positions, the philosophical ties they still share with their old camp, and the future of conservatism in America.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/is-bill-kristol-still-a-neocon</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:192995520</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move and Linda Chavez]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:03:09 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/192995520/72a47591f36a726cf678c2d5d92906bf.mp3" length="33895382" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move and Linda Chavez</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2118</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/192995520/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[An Indicator of Societal Health]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>This week, Linda speaks with <em>The Next Move</em>’s managing editor, Evan Gottesman, about his column—entitled, ”It’s Jew Hatred, Stupid”—and antisemitism in America as a measure of our country’s societal health.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/an-indicator-of-societal-health</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:192558028</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Evan Gottesman]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:02:57 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/192558028/b39aa9d5255cd160074450bdb578f9fb.mp3" length="38962720" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Evan Gottesman</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2435</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/192558028/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[No Endgame in Iran]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to bring you <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.</p><p>Are American actions and American objectives mismatched in Iran? Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago joins Linda to discuss the Trump administration’s strategy—or lack thereof—in the war in the Middle East.</p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If you’re not yet a premium subscriber and you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work,</strong> there’s never been a better time to join our community. Your support drives the work of the Renew Democracy Initiative, including bringing <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/watch-its-time-for-americans-to-hear"><strong>political dissidents</strong></a> to meet students, business leaders, and elected officials, as well as providing humanitarian assistance to frontline communities in Ukraine. Click here for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/i/190072683/an-update-on-the-renew-democracy-initiatives-work-in-ukraine"><strong>an update</strong></a> on our on-the-ground work in Ukraine.</p><p><strong>ICYMI: Tune in to the second episode of Older/Wiser:</strong></p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/no-endgame-in-iran</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:191823985</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Prof Robert Pape]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/191823985/0b4de792385095edb459b3088c50cdb1.mp3" length="32070573" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Prof Robert Pape</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2004</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/191823985/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[Immigrant Identity, Unpacked]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to bring you <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.</p><p>How do immigrants and their children reconcile ties with their homelands and commitment to the United States? RDI CEO Uriel Epshtein joins Linda to discuss his own journey as a first-generation American and the son of Soviet immigrants—and contrasts that story against the controversy surrounding US athlete Eileen Gu’s decision to compete for the Chinese Olympic team.</p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If you’re not yet a premium subscriber and you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work,</strong> there’s never been a better time to join our community. Your support drives the work of the Renew Democracy Initiative, including bringing <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/watch-its-time-for-americans-to-hear"><strong>political dissidents</strong></a> to meet students, business leaders, and elected officials, as well as providing humanitarian assistance to frontline communities in Ukraine. Click here for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/i/190072683/an-update-on-the-renew-democracy-initiatives-work-in-ukraine"><strong>an update</strong></a> on our on-the-ground work in Ukraine.</p><p><strong>ICYMI: Tune in to the second episode of Older/Wiser:</strong></p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/immigrant-identity-unpacked</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:191087389</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Uriel Epshtein]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/191087389/9bd5d32dde288f79885acbc6a6eab5f9.mp3" length="35639944" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Uriel Epshtein</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2227</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/191087389/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[A Federal Prosecutor on the Rule of Law]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to bring you <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.</p><p>Rule <em>of</em> law or rule <em>by</em> law? Linda speaks with Andrew McCarthy, a columnist and former assistant US attorney who led the prosecution of the terrorists behind the 1993 World Trade Center bombing for a lawyer’s perspective on the state of America’s constitutional order.</p><p>In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser will showcase the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.</p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If you’re not yet a premium subscriber and you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work,</strong> there’s never been a better time to join our community. Your support drives the work of the Renew Democracy Initiative, including bringing <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/watch-its-time-for-americans-to-hear"><strong>political dissidents</strong></a> to meet students, business leaders, and elected officials, as well as providing humanitarian assistance to frontline communities in Ukraine. Click here for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/i/190072683/an-update-on-the-renew-democracy-initiatives-work-in-ukraine"><strong>an update</strong></a> on our on-the-ground work in Ukraine.</p><p><strong>ICYMI: Tune in to the second episode of Older/Wiser:</strong></p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/a-federal-prosecutor-on-the-rule</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:190145705</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda Chavez, The Next Move, and Andy McCarthy]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2026 12:00:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/190145705/4700ca9f937a321f918dd94e75a381ae.mp3" length="40153485" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>Linda Chavez, The Next Move, and Andy McCarthy</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2510</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/190145705/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Destruction of Ukrainian Childhood]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to bring you <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.</p><p>In our latest installment, Linda is joined by Katya Pavlevych, an advocate for Ukrainian children who serves as an advisor at Razom for Ukraine and the founder of Forget Us Not, a non-profit that works to bring home children abducted by Russia.</p><p>Linda and Katya discuss the kidnapping and indoctrination of Ukrainian children amid Russia’s war against Ukraine. From mass transfers and coerced adoptions inside Russia to the militarization of youth in the occupied territories, they explore how this conflict extends far beyond territory, to the fight for Ukraine’s identity and future.</p><p>In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser will showcase the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.</p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If you’re not yet a premium subscriber and you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work,</strong> there’s never been a better time to join our community. Now through March 4, you <strong>can save 30% on a premium subscription</strong>—just in time for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/how-to-fight-outrage-fatigue"><strong>our next exclusive Zoom call</strong></a><strong>,</strong> taking place <strong>this Wednesday (3/4) at 5pm ET/2pm PT </strong>and featuring <em>Financial Times</em> US National Editor Edward Luce and Garry Kasparov for a discussion on the last 50 years in American foreign policy.</p><p><strong><em>Music credit: </em></strong><em>Marichka</em></p><p><strong>ICYMI: Tune in to the second episode of Older/Wiser:</strong></p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/the-destruction-of-ukrainian-childhood</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:189397391</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Katya Pavlevych]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2026 13:00:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/189397391/94e10582f12bfa3a616820adc68a6cf1.mp3" length="32558331" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>The Next Move, Linda Chavez, and Katya Pavlevych</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2035</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/189397391/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[The History of Mass Deportation in America]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Premium subscribers received this podcast 24 hours ago. Want to be among the first to hear each new episode of Older/Wiser? Become a premium subscriber and support the work of the Renew Democracy Initiative. Save 30% on premium subscriptions now through March 4.</em></strong></p><p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to bring you <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is an author, columnist, and veteran of multiple presidential administrations.</p><p>In our latest installment, Linda sits down with Ilan Stavans, Professor of Humanities and Latin American Culture at Amherst College, to discuss the history of mass deportation in the United States. Amid furor over ICE operations, Linda and Ilan trace the current roundup to events during the early twentieth century..</p><p>In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser showcases the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.</p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If you’re not yet a premium subscriber and you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work,</strong> there’s never been a better time to join our community. Now through March 4, you <strong>can save 30% on a premium subscription</strong>—just in time for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/how-to-fight-outrage-fatigue">our next exclusive Zoom call</a>, featuring <em>Financial Times</em> US National Editor Edward Luce and Garry Kasparov for a discussion on the last 50 years in American foreign policy.</p><p><strong>ICYMI: Tune in to the first episode of Older/Wiser:</strong></p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/the-history-of-mass-deportation-in</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:188647929</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda Chavez and The Next Move]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 13:00:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/188647929/9083e06ed30c59d8f1801d9e436fe9e8.mp3" length="31375089" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>Linda Chavez and The Next Move</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>1961</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/188647929/aa5fe9dfbeb0a83623371b2606801aef.jpg"/></item><item><title><![CDATA[How Our Leaders Stopped Leading]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>A new podcast. An older, wiser perspective.</p><p>The Renew Democracy Initiative and <em>The Next Move</em> are excited to launch <strong>Older/Wiser with Linda Chavez</strong>. Linda is a veteran of multiple presidential administrations, author, and columnist.</p><p>In a world of doomscrolling and daily outrages, Older/Wiser will showcase the big-picture perspective that comes with Linda’s five-plus decades in politics.</p><p>In our first installment, Linda and <em>The Next Move </em>Managing Editor Evan Gottesman walk through America’s declining standards of leadership. It’s the perfect Presidents’ Day discussion, offering a look at the road to Trumpism from inside the White House.</p><p><strong>If you’re a premium subscriber to </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>, you are among the first to hear this episode of the Older/Wiser podcast—24 hours before the rest of the world gets to tune in. </strong>Early access to this podcast is just one of the ways we’re saying “thank you” for your support. Premium subscribers also receive automatic entry into exciting raffles and contests and invitations to Zoom calls with Garry Kasparov and other pro-democracy leaders.</p><p><strong>If your’e not yet a premium subscriber and</strong> <strong>you’d like to get access to these perks and support our work</strong>, there’s never been a better time to join our premium subscriber community. Now through March 4, you <strong>can save 30% on a premium subscription</strong>—just in time for <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thenextmove.org/p/how-to-fight-outrage-fatigue">our next exclusive Zoom call</a>, featuring <em>Financial Times</em> US National Editor Edward Luce and Garry Kasparov for a discussion on the last 50 years in American foreign policy.</p><p><strong>More from </strong><strong><em>The Next Move</em></strong><strong>:</strong></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.thenextmove.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.thenextmove.org/subscribe</a>]]></description><link>https://www.thenextmove.org/p/how-our-leaders-stopped-leading</link><guid isPermaLink="false">substack:post:187893593</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda Chavez, The Next Move, and Evan Gottesman]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2026 13:30:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/187893593/bcacb46a76bc10aafb201e3a20d449e6.mp3" length="35152186" type="audio/mpeg"/><itunes:author>Linda Chavez, The Next Move, and Evan Gottesman</itunes:author><itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit><itunes:duration>2197</itunes:duration><itunes:image href="https://substackcdn.com/feed/podcast/4398493/post/187893593/0621a311bc04f26bc9af2e4f98d348d4.jpg"/><itunes:season>1</itunes:season><itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode></item></channel></rss>