PDRN is everywhere right now. TikTok is obsessed. K-beauty is flooding the shelves. But is it magic, marketing, or just a very well-branded why not?

I break down what it actually is, what it might do, and which products are worth your face.

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

What PDRN actually is

02:58 — Salmon DNA extracted from sperm, purified, powdered, and turned into skincare. Yes, really. We unpack the science and the 95% DNA similarity claim.

The real medical use

05:04 — Before it hit TikTok, PDRN was used for diabetic ulcers and wound healing. Tissue regeneration is where the data actually shines.

Injectables vs topical

06:05 —Skin boosters, blebs, short-lived results, and why injectable PDRN is the “golden ticket” if you’re going all in.

The serum dilemma

08:29 — Why every formula is a cocktail of actives, and why it’s almost impossible to know if it’s the PDRN doing the work.

MediCube pink peptide serum

09:06 — Dewy, plump, glass skin vibes. Is it the salmon DNA or the peptides? Honestly… who knows. But it’s glowier.

Rejuran and hydration

09:58 — The only brand making the injectable version. More hydration, better moisture retention, and a little hyaluronic acid skepticism.

Anua 100+ PDRN + Hyaluron

12:05 — Runnier, layerable, super glowy without looking greasy. Think bounce, not wet.

VT PDRN essence 100

13:30 — Serum-meets-lotion texture that makes you wake up looking like you just had a facial. Luxurious and dewy.

Is PDRN actually the star?

14:58 — Big claims: fibroblast stimulation, collagen, DNA repair. We call it what it is. A why not ingredient, not a life-changer.

“Microneedling in a bottle”

16:36 — VT Reedle Shot and spicules, aka microscopic glass-like shards from sea sponges. It stings. It works. But is it smart?

The foreign-body concern

20:20 — No long-term FDA data. Theoretical keloid risks. We get honest about ambivalence and why real microneedling might be safer.

Eye masks, gel masks, and glow pads

22:32 — Jenna Bell, MediCube pink collagen sleeping masks, and the marketing genius of slapping PDRN into everything.

What to actually look for

24:00 — Stick to trusted sourcing and purification. Watch for vegan versions. And layer thinnest to thickest.

Time-release retinol + PDRN

25:15 — Innis 0.5% retinol with PDRN. Affordable, effective, and a better long-term bet than novelty trends.

Rapid fire

25:52 — White owls as spiritual messengers, and whether spicules are life-changing—completely normal conversations to be having.

Products mentioned

* Rejuran Turnover Ampoule — Jenny’s TOP TOP PICK

* Rejuran injectable PDRN skin booster

* MediCube PDRN Pink Peptide Serum

* MediCube PDRN Pink Collagen Gel Mask

* Anua 100+ PDRN + Hyaluron

* ANOA Glow Pads

* VT PDRN Essence 100

* VT Reedle Shot 100 / 300 — Very popular. Though Jenny prefers micro needling by a practitioner

* Genabelle PDRN eye masks

* Genabelle spicules

* Innis 0.5% retinol with PDRN

* VT Cosmetics PDRN Essence 100

* Panex vegan PDRN

* Websites for K-BEAUTY:

* Stylevana

* Soko Glam

* Yes Style

Related Episodes and Articles

Important Notes

* Injectable PDRN results are short-lived and require multiple sessions.

* Topical PDRN mostly works at the surface level of the skin.

* Spicule “microneedling in a bottle” products are not FDA-approved.

* Sourcing and purification matter, especially with salmon-derived DNA.

* PDRN is a why-not ingredient, not a miracle cure.

It goes without saying, none of this is medical advice. Make your own choices, talk to medical professionals, and find what works for you.

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

I walk through the real technique. We talk tension, fascia, sculpting, posture, and why your jawline probably isn’t jawlining for reasons no cream can fix.

You’ll want to pair this one with video if you’re used to listening, because we show you all the tricks.

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Not new knowledge

00:00 — We kick off with why massage isn’t a trend at all, but a 500-year-old technique resurfacing for a reason—structure, tension, and fascia tell the whole story.

Hidato, Kobido, Buccal

02:55 — I explain my new certification, how ancient Japanese techniques evolved, and why combining modalities changes everything.

Your face is a map

04:50 — Tension, trauma, sadness, joy—it’s all in the tissue. We talk how emotions carve patterns into the face and why inner work shows up physically.

Posture is skin care

06:57 — Forward shoulders, tech neck, tight pecs… your posture shapes your jawline more than any serum. I break down what’s actually happening.

The chest & neck reset

09:40 — The sequence to open the chest, release the platysma, and prep the “gates” for proper lymph flow. It’s instant relief.

Pinch & Lift

12:50 — We get into the pinch, roll, and knuckle work that frees stuck tissue and wakes up the jaw, chin, and sides of the face. Yes, it’s intense. Yes, it works.

The elbow lift

17:19 — This weird-looking stretch fixes rounded shoulders and gives your neck mobility back.

Platysma stretching

18:50 — How to manually stretch and lengthen the muscles that drag your jawline down—and why this move is magic for a “snatched” profile.

Salmon sperm + sculpting

20:50 — The slow sculpting glide that wakes up the jawline and boosts product penetration.

Depressors, marionettes, and the chin

22:55 — If you have chin texture, “orange peel,” or downward pull, this sequence is your new religion.

Lip-plumping massage

25:00 — The upper and lower lip techniques that naturally plump, smooth smokers’ lines, and reshape volume. It works shockingly fast.

Masseter release

27:55 — Jenny shows how to find the masseter, break up adhesions, and why clenchers (hi, me) need this daily.

Facial cupping

28:58 — We learn how to safely use suction cups on the jaw and cheeks for lift, space, and sculpt. It’s wild to see the difference instantly.

Nasal folds

30:34 — The trademarked move that pulls apart and softens deep smile lines—simple, fast, and incredibly effective.

Bunny lines + brow tension

34:08 — We work the eyes, upper cheeks, and brow muscles to relieve squinting patterns and open up the whole mid-face.

Sculpting the upper cheek

36:15 — The knuckle move that defines your cheekbone and gives the lifted, contoured look without injectables.

Corrugator + forehead lines

38:15 — The real technique to soften 11s, smooth forehead lines, and lift heavy lids by separating the muscle fibers themselves.

Lymph clearing and drainage

41:20 — How to clear buildup around the ears, temples, and neck so your work actually lasts.

The unicorn suction move (yes, really)

45:25 — The cupping technique that smooths forehead lines by working both directions—downward and outward.

Ear work & scalp pulling

46:55 — Why ears and scalp are the secret to full-face relaxation and better circulation.

Back-of-neck & SCM release

48:45 — How to find the SCM, loosen neck fascia, and use bands or balls for alignment and pain relief.

Double chin sculptor

51:09 — The hand-stacked technique that instantly tightens the chin and boosts circulation.

Myofascial VS Gua Sha

52:45 — When to use which technique, why they’re different, and how to combine them for better results.

How long? Really?

54:03 — The realistic at-home plan: five minutes daily, ten on a Sunday, and what to prioritize.

Rapid fire

54:28 — We close with best bites, word of the week, and the high-vibration moment that hit us both.

Books/Articles/Links

* BeautyGrass Podcast

* Anastasia Beauty Fascia’s YouTube

* Facial massage might actually help your brain clean waste. Nature. Instagram explainer.

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head toour Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

Enjoy!

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Our nemesis: the neck

03:41 — Why necks betray us first, why posture matters more than melanin, and why neck lifts are suddenly the surgery du jour.

What surgeons actually do

09:46 — From full lifts (big scars, muscle pulls, lipo) to the “weekend lift,” we chat about the options, the scars, and when surgeons recommend tacking it on to a facelift.

The risks of cutting your platysma

14:00 — That thin neck muscle is key to lymph drainage. Cut it, and you risk tightness, mobility issues, and blocked flow.

Threads, microcurrents, and more

16:31 — Thread lifts dissolve in months. Don’t believe the hype. I swear by my new microcurrent machine instead. It’s Pilates for your face and neck.

Posture starts in your feet

22:02 — Rolling your feet changes your posture and neck position. Add SEM (sternocleidomastoid) massage, and you’ll feel the lift instantly.

Wall tricks and band hacks

29:01 — “Tits out, back to the wall” posture resets and strengthening moves. The easiest at-home neck fixes.

Pillows, creams, and $340 serums

32:05 — Do neck creams work? We get into occlusives, gentler retinol derivatives, castor oil packs, and whether a splurgy German serum is worth it.

If you only do one thing…

36:05 — Massage is the winner. Add posture and stretching for bonus points, and gua sha if you’re diligent.

Supplements for connective tissue

38:00 — Beef organs, pearl powder, bone broth, marine collagen, and why I love Australian cockatoo plum.

Gratitude vs. the knife

40:12 — Yes, gratitude practices help. But if your neck makes you nuts: book the lift, and I’m happy to recommend a surgeon.

Good to know

Tools and techniques:

* Ultrasound therapy

* Kybella

* Micro-current is Jenny’s preferred treatment to Threading lift

* Posture is KEY

* Roll your feet on rubber ball (toes to heal/heel to toe)

* Pinching/stretching the SEM muscle (sides of neck)

* Platisma (front of neck) stretch

* Soft(or spikey) rubber ball (or knuckles) to loosen pec muscles

* Using exercise bands - posture exercise against the wall

* Gua Sha

Products mentioned":

* A neck support pillow may be helpful

* Auteur Definitive Neck and Décolleté Cream (pricey)

* VibrantBoost Face Mist & MoonLitFromWithin Face Oil

* Heart & Soul Beef Organs supplement

* Par & Olive Marine Collagen Supplement

Related Articles:

* The Dowager’s Hump Episode (yes, it’s real)

* The Ultimate Wellness Drinks — smoothies, broths, and more

* Retinol: Everything you need to know

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head toour Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

Meet Maggie

00:47 — A guest! Maggie's a homeopath, medical intuitive, and Reiki practitioner whose work has touched every part of our lives—from our kids to our animals to ourselves.

The dog who changed everything

04:56 — Maggie sensed something in Jenny’s pug... and what unfolded was one of the most beautiful death transitions we’ve ever heard.

How Maggie became Maggie

07:50 — From anatomy-obsessed eighth grader to roadkill whisperer to studying in Ireland, Maggie walks us through how she became who she is.

What is homeopathy?

11:02 — Maggie breaks down the philosophy behind homeopathy (hint: it’s not woo-woo), what it can treat, and why it’s not molecular medicine.

Supplement sleuthing

15:17 — Turns out your supplement might be right—but your brand might be wrong. Maggie explains how she tests for resonance and tolerance.

Muscle testing 101

20:32 — Maggie explains how she uses her body as a pendulum—and teaches us how to do it too.

What’s a medical intuitive?

22:58 — Your higher self, but make it diagnostic. We talk about Maggie’s intuitive reads and how she supports neuro-diverse kids.

High-vibe rituals

27:00 — From grounding cords to Dead Sea baths, we get Maggie’s go-to rituals and talk about what works when the usual tools don’t.

Force fields > freak-outs

32:00 — We talk energetic boundaries, navigating collective anxiety, and shadow work—why the things that bother you are often your biggest teachers.

Human pendulum how-to

36:06 — Get your body involved. We walk through the step-by-step process of muscle testing and the surprisingly big decisions it can help with.

Intuition meets dating apps

42:26 — Yes, you can use muscle testing for relationships. Yes, we have questions.

The fact-checking future

47:00 — Maggie shares a dream where mass muscle testing changed politics—and why this tool is about so much more than health.

Trusting yourself again

50:01 — The point of all this? Intuition. Maggie talks about the power of knowing your truth and why being intentional doesn’t mean you lose spontaneity.

Rapid fire + rituals

53:03 — A cheddar-and-pesto snack, a grounding hike, and a reminder to always dip… then come back up.

Good to know

OUR GUEST:

* Golden Ray Healing

* Mountains Homeopathy

* Maggi Shanley

Maggi Shanley has been practicing Classical Homeopathy for 24 years. She got her start while living in Ireland, studying at the Burton School of Homeopathy. After which, she started her private practice and worked as a consultant for Nelson‘s homeopathy a British homeopathic pharmacy in Dublin. As she practiced her gifts expanded to include Reiki?, Medical Intuitive work, death, Doula work, and finally animal communication work as well. Her work is based in authentic presence, empowerment, and a deep caring for all beings on this planet.

BOOKS/ARTICLES/LINKS

Samuel Hahnemann (founder of homeopathy, German MD)

Nelson’s Homeopathic Pharmacy (Ireland/England)

Santa Monica Homeopathic

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

Magnesium Glycinate 

Heart and Soil Beef organs supplements

Anima Mundi Ashwaganda

Arsenicum Album 30C

Dead Sea salt 

ABOUT

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head toour Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

We’re not saying it’s magic, but NAD+ might be the closest thing.This one’s for anyone trying to feel sharp, sleep better, and look glowier from the inside out. So you know I love it.

Let’s get into it.

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Sensitivity and supplements

00:42 — Is it the weight of the world or is it the weather? We talk mindset, peptides, and estrogen face cream.

The telepathy tapes and neurodivergent gifts

04:33 — I’m obsessed with this podcast. We chat and unpack nonverbal communication, lightworkers, and how it reframes what’s happening.

NAD+ 101: the youth molecule

05:31 — Why NAD+ is crucial for energy, aging, and mitochondria—and why your levels are likely plummeting if you’re in perimenopause. PS. If you’re in peri, give this episode a listen.

So you think you need NAD+

08:44 — Dull skin, brain fog, slow recovery: the story of my current life. NAD+ tells your cells how to behave. So when it dips, everything goes with it.

The stack

11:16 — NMN, NR, CoQ10, and resveratrol. We get granular. What to take, how much, and why each of these supplements work better together. Plus: Maggie’s methylation tip.

The format chat

15:01 — Pills? Injections? IVs? We break down the pros, cons, cost, and timing of each method, including how to make it work for your budget. This stuff ain’t cheap!

How to boost NAD+ naturally

17:45 — Cold plunges, circadian rhythm, HIIT, and intermittent fasting, we get into it all. And cover the practical NAD+ support plan I like best.

SubQ vs IV

18:59 — I make the case for subcutaneous injections: slower than IV, but way cheaper, more stable, and still super bioavailable.

The dream protocol

22:16 — If you’re only doing one thing, I tell you which. If you’re stacking, we map the ideal plan: supplements, sub-Q, and monthly IV.

Rapid fire

24:32 — Enchiladas, fennel, and light.

Products mentioned

Precursors to NAD+

* Nootropics Depot Nicotinamide Mononucleotide NMN

* Pure Encapsulations NR Longevity

* Pure Encapsulations CoQ10

* Thorne Methylguard

* Thorne Resveritrol

* Sunny Within Longevity

NAD+

* Qualia NAD+

* Vital Meds SubQ

* IVs by Pause or your local option

Resources mentioned

* Telepathy Tapes

Related episodes and articles

* In peri? Reach for some Amino Acids

* Perimenopause — An ultra-real personal journey

* Injectable aka Sub-Q Peptides: Yay? Nay?

ABOUT

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

We’re talking about the dreaded back hump. But also: travel resets, body rituals, and the beauty of showing up for yourself—inside and out.

In this episode, we trade stories from Cannes and camp drop-off, revisit old marriage wounds (and why they still surprise us), and dive into the summer rituals keeping us sane: lemon balm tea, Ayurvedic oiling, Garshana gloves, lymphatic drainage, and one surprisingly effective foam roller routine for that dread dowager hump.

Light, packed and easy listening. Let us know what you think!

Inside Cannes & SxSW London

02:20 — Kirsten recaps Cannes Lions, judging Young Lions, and sweating through high-glam brand activations. Pattern-on-pattern included.

June whiplash

05:00 — After Cannes and SXSW London comes the reentry: graduations, family, and the weird calm of being back home.

Empty nesting, round one

07:00 — Jenny drops the kids at camp and returns to a kid-free house… only to get into a massive fight with her husband. Classic.

Couples therapy & trauma loops

10:30 — Even after 22+ years and doing the work, stuff resurfaces. We unpack how trauma rewires relationships and what repair really looks like.

Lemon balm is the new lemon water

12:00 — Why this adaptogenic tea is the sleeper hit of the summer: calming, anti-aging, and ideal iced or hot.

Garshana gloves & lymphs

17:00 — Jenny's summer staple: raw silk gloves that detox, exfoliate, and energize. Yes, they look like Mickey Mouse hands.

The abhyanga breakdown

23:00 — Ayurvedic body oiling 101. How to prep, layer, and towel-dance your way to firmer, glowier skin.

Cleanse season

26:30 — We get into Owl, Moon Juice, and the once-a-year reset that makes you clearer… but slightly meaner.

Aloe x lemon balm ice cubes = Sunburn cure

33:00 — DIY skin-repair ritual with aloe, lemon balm tea, and an ice cube tray. Seriously magic for sun recovery.

Foam roll your hump away

35:00 — That weird bump at the base of your neck? It has a name. And a cure. Welcome to the anti-hump era.

Sunscreen lineup (and spray debate)

40:00 — Suntegrity, St. Jane, Basque, and HelioCare. Plus why the spray vs stick vs supplement thing actually matters.

Agua fresca for your skin barrier

43:00 — Turns out watermelon, lime, and electrolytes might help keep melasma at bay. Sip accordingly.

Summer skincare swaps

46:00 — Jenny’s lighter, brighter summer stack—from mandelic acid to green tea enzyme wash to snail mucin serum.

LA ocean paranoia is real

51:00 — Should we still be swimming post-wildfires? We’re not sure. But we are definitely lake-pilled.

Lake rituals that boost your glow

53:00 — Minerals, cold water, lymph movement, mood. Yes to lake swims. Yes to lemon balm after.

Rapid fire: dowager’s hump and highest vibes

55:00 —Our word of the week, summer tip (hint: it’s lymph), and a big yes to lake life + body rituals.

Good to know

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

RELATED

Eat these foods for great skin

Stop shaming the sun. A better approach to sun care

The ugly truth about lasers: They make your melasma worse.

ABOUT

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

Methylene Blue Tongue

01:24 — Kirsten’s blue tongue and the science behind it.

Lip-Stain Disaster Live

02:42 — A bargain peel-off stain gives Kirsten patchy Smurf lips and I try to deliver a straight-face assessment.

Dry Skin & Microneedling

03:25 — Post-microneedling lip tips and the importances of gentle exfoliation before any lip-color stunts.

Bee-Sting Plumpers

04:20 — Alternatives to the questionable “billion-bee” lip plumper.

A Secret Korean Beauty Bodega

06:04 — This sign-less shop on the lower east side is packed with good and knowledge.

$500 K-Beauty Haul Breakdown

06:49 — I line-item Kirsten’s impulse buys. Fine-line fixes, salmon-DNA serums and separate the winners from the hype.

K-Beauty 10-Step Routine, Edited

08:23 — I trim the classic ten steps down to the essentials.

Snail Mucin & Biotech Buzz

08:42 — Humane slime harvesting, salmon DNA, and lab-grown roses send my brain into overdrive.

Essences, Rice & Ceramides

14:03 — Everything black-rice toners, probiotic essences, and barrier-loving ceramides.

Brightening, Brown Spots & Peptides

20:54 — Kirsten confesses brown-spot paranoia; I prescribe niacinamide cocktails and copper peptides.

Vitamin C Capsule Cream

26:26 — We puncture a bead-filled Vit-C gel. Texture was dreamy, the scent was confusing.

Sun Stick & SPF Chat

30:18 — The kids love this cotton-blue sun stick. We settle the mineral-vs-chemical sunscreen debate.

The Collagen Molding Pack

31:00 — This powder-to-gloop mask promises magic. I explain what’s really happening.

Words to the Wise

42:58 — I keep the winners and ditch the duds.

Good to know

Places and sources mentioned:

Chris Danton and GOOD THINKING

Senti Senti

Printemps NYC

Products mentioned:

Advanced Snail Radiance - COSRX (snail mucin)

AXIS-Y - Dark spot correcting glow cream

Haru Haru Wonder - Black rice probiotic barrier essence

WishTrend - Mandelic acid (Jenny’s exfoliating water)

Pyunkang Yul - Essence Toner (korean name -Jenny’s)

Purito - Mighty bamboo panthenol cream

Noni Ampoule (Calming skin radiance) Not sure about? Don’t get Celimax)

Mumbuz:n - Antioxidant Brightening - What’s Your Number (5+) -

Medicube - Deep Vitamin C Capsule Cream - (has fragrance)

PHA - Resurfacing Glow Peel

TOCOBO - Cotton Soft Skin Stick (sunscreen) Not great (chemical).

Reedle Shot EX - Collagen Molding Pack

Biodance- Pink Package

Onelogy - Packets of Peptides - Water Activated Tablets (from Printemps)

About

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

From BPC-157 to IGF-1, we talk through the injectables that are changing how we show up in our skin, our joints, and even our minds. (Yes, there’s one for brain fog, too.)

We break down the difference between topical and sub-Q peptides (injectables), what they actually do inside the body, and which ones have given us the most noticeable results.

There’s also a short pep talk on sourcing safely—because not all peptides are created equal.

If you’re curious about how to feel stronger, look glowier, and maybe even lengthen your telomeres (after listening this will all make sense), this one’s for you.

Enjoy!

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Peptides 101

02:18 — The word is out (or should be): peptides are amazing. Peptides can be topical for sure, but today, we’re mostly getting into the topic of injectable peptides (sub-Q). We explain what they are, why we’re obsessed, and what they’re actually doing in your body and your skin.

Morning gamerchanger

03:58 — BPC-157 changed my mornings. For inflammation, joint pain, and not feeling like a 90-year-old when you wake up—this one’s the real MVP.

It’s not just looks, it’s feel

05:56 — Peptides and potent actives like exosomes and copper peptides are the real skincare game changers.

Gut & muscle

10:00 — More on BPC-157 and why it’s the peptide for anyone with gut issues, muscle fatigue, or mysterious soreness that shows up with age (or enter peri/menopause)

If you’re going for ‘glow’

13:25 — IGF-1 and GHK-Cu: for boosting collagen, building muscle, and giving your skin that firm, hydrated, high-functioning glow.

Aging well

17:46 — Epithalon is for lengthening telomeres and basically stopping time. It’s pricier, but it’s the one we cycle just twice a year.

Sleep, metabolism & more

19:26 — A bit on CJC & Ipamorelin for muscle tone and metabolism, plus why some peptides work best when stacked together.

We talk NAD+

20:33 — Not technically a peptide, but we had to mention it. Why NAD+ helps with energy, brain fog, and cellular function (and how to actually take it so it works).

How to start. Safely.

23:10 — You don’t want to be injecting sketchy gray-market peptides. We talk sourcing, pricing, and what you really need to know before starting.

How to inject

28:06 — We demo how we do it—tiny needles, pain-free, and why it’s not as intimidating as it sounds.

Good to know

Books, articles & resources:

* Koniver Wellness

* Always work with a holistic or integrative doctor, nurse practitioner & compounding pharmacy.

Products mentioned:

* BPC 157: Anti-inflammatory, gut health, and wound healing.

* IGF-1: Accelerates healing and recovery, enhances metabolism, and counteracts age-related decline.

* Epitalon: Improved metabolism, regulates hormones, melatonin, and resistance to emotional stress.

* CJC & Ipamorelin: Release of growth hormone and increase protein synthesis.

* GHK-CU: In Vibrant Boost. Anti-inflammatory, stimulates collagen, and promotes blood vessel growth.

* AQ Solutions GF Active Serum

* Cymbiotika NAD+, NMN + Trans-Resveratrol

* Aminos

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Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

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Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

From sound bowls to tuning forks, binaural beats to fire meditations, we explore ancient tools and modern science that prove sound is more than just music—it's medicine.

We also talk about the frequencies behind skincare (yes, really), the instruments that can shift our stress levels, and how humming in your car can literally heal your nervous system.

Plus, a wild story about giving facials to an Amazonian chief.

If you’ve been feeling heavy or scattered (ummm, this is everyone, right?!), this one is your reset.

Enjoy!

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Let’s shift frequencies

03:03 — The chaos of life, how vibrational healing became the soothing balm.

Sound is the medicine

05:01 — Why sound is so much more than noise: how tuning into frequency can rewire your brain and body.

The magic of the handpan

08:11 — A Swedish instrument with alien vibes and real therapeutic power, especially for arthritis and stress.

Fire meditation & frequency talk

10:33 — Did you know a candle flame has a hertz? We go deep on ancient sound healing wisdom and 7.8 Hz Himalayan resonance.

Binaural beats explained

12:08 — Your brain can literally make a third tone that transforms your mood, focus, and stress levels. Here’s how.

Soundwaves & brainwaves

13:31 — We break down Delta to Gamma brain states and how each one can boost your healing, cognition, and creativity.

Tuning forks 101

15:23 — Weighted vs. unweighted forks, how they’re like acupuncture without needles, and why 528 Hz matters.

Sound bowls

17:54 — This one goes deep: Tibetan bowls, chakra healing, and the splurge that was 100% worth it.

Low-frequency healing: 40 Hz and 285 Hz

20:02 — The powerful hertz behind cell regeneration, pain relief, and the force field in your skincare.

Hum your way to healed

22:20 — Humming, nitric oxide, the vagus nerve, and why your car might be your next wellness studio.

The sacred sound of Om

23:42 — The history, anatomy, and magic of Om — including what it does in birthing, yoga, and collective resonance.

When sound brings stuff up

27:00 — What to do when healing frequencies trigger emotion, and how vulnerability opens the door to release.

Good to know

Books and articles mentioned:

* Dr Jerry Epstein - Visualizations

* Gem Water by Gienger, Goebel

Products mentioned:

* Earth Harmony Methylene Blue

* Organic Matcha

* Anima Mundi Ashwaganda

* VibrantBoost Face Mist

* Infopathy PEMF Device

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton, and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

Enjoy!

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Splurgy Skincare Treatments

02:12 — What’s worth splurging on? From LED masks to microcurrent, we break down what actually works and what’s just marketing hype.

Red Light Therapy Deep Dive

03:04 — Red light therapy boosts collagen and heals skin. What to look for when buying an LED device—these babies can be pricey, so it’s best to get a good one the first time. And don’t forget to beware of blue light.

[add pic of Dr. Dennis mask]

The Ins and Outs of Micro-current

12:31 — I’m a huge fan of Micro-current. I share the tools worth investing in that you can use at home and still get real results.

[add pics of nuface, seven E wellness? and the Pico]

Lymphatic Drainage Tools

20:02 — ‘Cortisol face’, puffiness, tension—we go deep into all things lymphatic. From Celicy J Brayden’s amazing brushes to the TheraGun for the face to cupping to Gua Sha.

[add pics of brushes, theragun, the face cups, gua sha]

Micro-needling Yes and Nos

26:59 — Micro-needling is amazing but not something you should do at home IMO. It can deliver big results or big damage, depending on the practitioner. And it’s not just for the face.

[add pics of brushes, theragun, the face cups, gua sha]

Glow To Town With Cryo Balls & CO2 Masks

33:29 — Japanese Carboxy masks delivers. It’s fancy, but boy, does it work. And combined at cryo ball treatments. Wow.

[add pics of cryo ball]

Why You Need An IC Device

35:59 — And we cover what it is because that’s probably most people’s first question.

[add pics of ic device]

PEMF Blankets and Mats Questions Answered

37:09 — People ask me a lot about the Higher Dose sauna blanket. We discuss the benefits and other PEMF devices for inflammation and circulation.

[add pics of blanket and mat]

Sculpting Facials: The Best Of All Worlds

38:21 — If you’re looking for all of the above in one beautiful hour, look for something like the Sculpting Facial I offer at Saving Faces.

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

THE LIGHT SALON LED Mask

NuFace Microcurrent Device

MyoLift Microcurrent Device

Pico Microcurrent Device

HigherDose PEMF Mat (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy)

Beam Infrared Sauna Blanket

Infopathy PEMF Device

Cecily J. Braden Lymphatic Brushes

Theragun for Face & Body

Solar Wave LED Wand

BEAM Wellness LED Blanket

Carboxy Mask

Glass Cupping Tools

Cryo Balls

Gua Sha Tools (best paired with a good face oil like LitFromWithin or MoonLitFromWithin)

Microneedling Pens

DISCOVER MORE 

The Ultimate Wood Woo Gift Guide

The Ugly Truth About Lasers

TikTok Skincare Trends: Jenny’s Yay or Nays

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

This episode, Kirsten and I discuss Methylene Blue. Whether you’re on the perimenopause train or just looking to up your wellness, this 100-year-old drug is worth a look. It’s a go-to in my routine (and Kirsten’s smoothies) lately, so we get into why.

Enjoy!

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

Methylene Blue 101

03:43 — We’re talking about methylene blue today! It’s not just a random supplement—this is life-changing stuff. We break down what it is, its history (spoiler: it was originally a textile dye!), and why it's getting so much attention in the wellness world.

The Side Effects Are Wild... But Worth It

05:57 — Yes, methylene blue turns your pee and mouth blue (sometimes even green!). But that’s just the beginning. We get into its powerful benefits for cognitive function, energy, and why it cleared up perimenopause brain fog almost instantly.

Wait, It’s Good for Fertility?!

07:42 — One study says methylene blue dramatically increases fertility—not that we’re looking for that right now! But it does highlight how deeply this compound supports cellular health, especially in the reproductive system.

Mitochondria = The Secret to Anti-Aging

09:02 — Methylene blue supercharges mitochondria, which means better energy, anti-aging, and cellular repair. ATP is the “gasoline” of the body, and methylene blue helps fuel it.

Brain Boost & Neuroprotection

10:58 — This isn’t just about energy—methylene blue is being studied for Alzheimer’s, dementia, Parkinson’s, and even fall prevention in older adults. It enhances spatial awareness, memory, and brain function.

Smurf Vibes

12:56 — It’s a little bitter but manageable. Some people put it directly on their tongue, but we prefer it mixed in water or a smoothie to avoid the full blue mouth effect.

The Best Methylene Blue to Buy

15:35 — Not all methylene blue is created equal. Pharmaceutical-grade only! We love Birth Harmony’s tincture and talk about trochies, lozenges, and bars.

The Ultimate Biohacking Combo

16:09 — THIS is the game-changer. Methylene blue + red light therapy = maximized ATP production, anti-aging, and cellular repair. If you’re serious about longevity, this is the hack.

Is Big Pharma Trying to Hide It?

22:02 — Methylene blue is already FDA-approved but can’t be monopolized, which is why most people don’t know about it. Meanwhile, pharmaceutical companies are trying to patent new neuroprotective drugs that include it.

ARTICLES MENTIONED

Protection against neurodegeneration with low-dose methylene blue and near-infrared light by F Gonzalez-Lima, Allison Auchter

Perfect Pairing: Harnessing the Anti-Aging Power of Methylene Blue and Red Light Therapy by Dr Franklin Lipman

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

Earth Harmony Methylene Blue

Troscriptions Just Blue

BEAM Wellness LED Blanket

The Light Salon, Boost

Portal Tides Bath Soaks with Ormus

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

Enjoy!

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

What’s Up With Castor Oil?

01:38 — The 1940s, key parties, and… castor oil? It’s making a comeback!

History & Uses

02:13 — Found in Egyptian tombs. Used for constipation, labor, and skincare. Yep, quite the list.

A Juicy Benefits List

05:05 — Lymphatic drainage, hair growth, scar healing, arthritis relief, dark circle reducer, and more.

How to Use Castor Oil

05:44 — Should you drink it? (Spoiler: Probably not.) But we get into what you should actually do.

Three Types of Castor Oil

08:12 — Clear, black, and turkey red—what’s the difference?

Good for inflammation? Yep.

16:13 — For back pain, arthritis, headaches, sciatic pain—castor oil does it all.

Lymphatic drainage & detox

19:50 — Why it’s a game-changer for your immune system.

And we can’t forget beauty

24:42 — Hair growth, lash + brow booster, eczema/psoriasis remedy. Lots to discuss.

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

* Roots and Leaves Castor Oil

* Foldable Trampoline

* HigherDose PEMF Mat (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy)

* Beam Infrared Sauna Blanket

* Miso & Bone Broth (to support hydration during a castor oil detox)

* Dandelion Tea (for liver support)

* Temple Lube (a preferred, non-sticky alternative to castor oil as a personal lubricant)

* Gua Sha Tools (for massaging castor oil into scars)

* Glass Bottles for Castor Oil (recommended over plastic due to seepage)

* Eye Rollers (for dark circle reduction with castor oil)

* Giant Band-Aids (pre-soaked with castor oil for easy application)

DISCOVER MORE 

The Ultimate Wood Woo Gift Guide

6 Best Teas for Beauty & Wellness

Scar Care 101

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

If you want to skip to the good bits, click the links!

03:27 — Microdosing has unlocked a lot for me, including pre-travel anxiety.

05:01 — Goodness knows why, but travel is always when the bugs hit. Since this happened to me on my most recent trip, I share all the things I did to not waste the vacay under the covers.

12:24 — All my skincare recommendations—supplements, tincture, sheet, oils, and mists. Obviously, it’s the longest section—much to discuss.

21:23 — All things cold consumption, digestion, and detox.

25:22 — Unlike many, I’m not anti-sun but I do have a strategy for it. I share all my fave sunscreens, supplements and burn care tips.

30:02 — I don’t pack light, I literally pack lights. But also lymphatic face brushes, facial cups, and massage balls. And if you watch the video, I give a how-to on lymphatic drainage for the face.

36:40 — A bit on hair and a lot more on why travel isn’t just a luxury.

For a full list of the products and links, head to Substack

BOOKS/ARTICLES/LINKS

Stop Shaming The Sun

The 6 Best Supplements of Glowing Skin

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

FYI we’ve used a few affiliate links in this post so I do make a little $$ if you buy. But this does not impact what I choose to share. Many of the links aren’t affiliate. Thanks for supporting.

EPISODE GEMS

Sometimes life is not smooth. And Perimenopause is one of those times.

No one should have to suffer through it. And truly you have to be your own advocate.  

The right mix of supplements and hormones can be really helpful. Jenny and Kirsten share what’s working for them, on their personal perimenopause journeys.

Your journey is unique. Talk to your doctor, and get professional advice, of course, for all of this. But also know, you’re not alone. 

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

SUPPLEMENTS

BioMatrix DHEA

Pure Encapsulations Evening of Primrose Oil

Happy Mammoth Hormone Harmony

Bonafide

Bio Matrix Progesterone

Bexwecken Estradiol Oil Blend

BioMatrix Adrenal Support 

Herb Pharm Mood Support

Naked Nutrition Creatine

Thorne Vitamin D

Seabuck Wonders Seabuckthorn

Heart & Soil Her Package Supplements

Heart & Soil Beef Organ Supplement

HERBAL TEAS

Hibiscus tea

Black Cohosh tea

Nettle teaBG PRODUCTSSacred Salve

Clearing Tides Bath Salts

Mycelium Tides Bath Salts

Portal Tides Bath SaltsBEYONDHRT - Ananda Integrative Health

The Dutch Test

Oliogscan

Dexascan

Omorpho Weighted Vest

RESOURCES

Dr Marie Claire Harver

Dr Louise Newsome

DISCOVER MORE 

Menopausal Skincare Tips

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

Minerals are essential nutrients that our body needs to function properly. They are great for our skin. They can help with detoxification. They can help with sleep. And help keep acne at bay.

In short: minerals are amazing!

Learn which ones I love, the best way to get them, and what they are good for.

EPISODE GEMS

Magnesium — One of my absolute favorites. The benefits, the types, and their uses

Copper — The unsung hero of minerals

Selenium — Protecting you from UV damage and boosting immune function

Zinc — The acne fighter

MSN powder — Amazing for reducing wrinkles and improving skin texture

Trace Minerals — Hidden gems

Iodine — The essential yet overlooked element

Transdermal Soaks — How to soak up the minerals

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

Vibrant Boost Face Mist — packed with copper

Clearing Tides Soak —a magnesium-filled transdermal bath soak

Mycelium Tides Soak — an anti-aging transdermal soak

Portal Tides Soak — a transdermal detox

DISCOVER MORE 

Food as medicine

5 Essential Minerals for Glowing Skin

What is a Transdermal Bath?

Copper: The Anti-aging Ingredient

6 Best Supplements for Skin

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head toour Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode.

This time, we focus on your cycle (if you have one).

BOOKS/ARTICLES/LINKS

Her Blood Is Gold by Lara Owen

Taking Charge of Your Fertility App

Food as medicine

25 foods for glowing skin

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

EPISODE GEMS

Hape how to

And facial advice from an expert esthetician

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

KURIPE - TEPI set

GoldenHigh Oil Cleanser

VibrantBoost Face Mist (high in Niacinamide)

RadicalSeeker Honey Mask (gentle exfoliator)

LitFromWithin Face Oil

AQ Active Serum

Lymphatic Face Brush

Gua Sha Tool

Blue-laced Agate

Smudging Stick

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, BeautyGrass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

I know, you woke up this fine morning and thoughts: I’d love to know about the oral microbiome.

Said no one ever. But! It’s such an important part of your health—and your skincare—that very few people talk about.

So, that’s what this episode is about.

Let me know what surprised you, what questions you have, and what you’d like us to discuss in the future

If you want to skip ahead:

The microbiomes

02:58 - The 4 microbiomes: gut, mouth, skin and vagina (if you have one).

The beauty/skin connection

05:05 - The skin is a roadmap to what's happening inside your body. Symptoms like acne and eczema are a reflection of our internal health.

The oral microbiome

06:06 - The oral microbiome in particular is the gateway. Things really start with your mouth.

My routine

08:20 - Brushing and flossing

* Mouth rinse: My tip is to make your own sea salt water by keeping a mason jar by the sink. Fresh sea salt is amazing for the oral microbiome.

* Water pick: This is amazing for crevices in your gums. A pro tip: add hypochlorous to your water for a healthy anti-bacterial boost.

* Tongue scraper: You don't want to over do it—two or three times is more than enough. I love a copper tongue scraper.

* Oil pulling: It's an oldie but goodie. It's an old Ayurvedic way of pulling toxins out of the mouth and restoring your gums. You can use pure organic, cold-pressed sesame oil or fractionated coconut oil. Or I like this one by Uncle Harry's because it's detoxifying due to the myrrh.

* Brush: Get a good natural toothpaste, without triclosan (more on that below!). Uncle Harry's again is my go-to, in peppermint—you cannot go wrong. This is another good one by Living Libations. And Primal Tooth Powder is also good.

* Final swish: I love this Brio Oral swish/rinse. And if you need to boost your oral microbiome, I recommend adding a probiotic (I always recommend Ancient Nutrition SBO) to your swish. That helps to build the bank if you will. Strengthening the oral microbiome.

Essential oils

13:13 - Myrrh, clove, cinnamon, frankincense, and helichrysum.

Baddies of the oral microbiome universe

17:16 - What to avoid: Glycerin, Polysorbate, Triclosan, and Sodium benzoate in combination with Vitamin C (Citric Acid).

Fluoride

20:04 - Unsurprisingly, I’m not a fluoride fan.

I love this quote from Nadine Artemis' book, Holistic Dental Care (also on Audible). about the effects of fluoride on bones and skin.

“ If you suffer from cavities, then fluoride toothpaste and treatments might be right for you. Possible side effects may include:

Bleeding gums, skeletal fluorosis, sclerosis. dementia, pitted and crumbled teeth, impaired myelin sheath, acne, arthritis, gingivitis, bone crippling disease, joint pain in your knees, thyroid disease, hip fractures, hyperactivity, damaged sperm. increased infertility, disruption of collagen synthesis, gastritis, suppressed immune system, impaired glucose metabolism, skin rashes, bone deformation, cell mutation, nausea, frequent urination, poisoning, DNA alteration, and reduced IQ.

Then go ahead. Ask your dentist if fluoride is right for you.”

The oral microbiome and heart health connection

24:20 - The oral microbiome plays a fundamental role in our overall health, but, especially in our cardiovascular health.

Diet

22:44 - Organic meats, fiber, vegetables, and specifically beets.

Related articles you might enjoy:

* 6 Supplements for Radiant Skin

* How to treat Perioral Dermatitis naturally, without steroids (PD is highly connected to the oral microbiome)

* Copper: The Anti-aging Ingredients Your Overlooking

* My Favorite Products For the Oral Microbiome

* What Is the Microbiome

Related Episodes:

Foods for great skin

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EPISODE GEMS

What to know about Botox and filler

Post-treatment tips

Natural alternatives

BOOKS/ARTICLES/LINKS

Dermal fillers: The good, the bad and the dangerous By Kristina Liu, MD, MHS, Harvard Health Publishing

Botox injections, Mayo Clinic

Beauty from within: Oral administration of a sulfur-containing supplement methylsulfonylmethane improves signs of skin ageing, Neelam Muizzuddin and Rodney Benjamin

Effects of Oral Supplementation With Methylsulfonylmethane on Skin Health and Wrinkle Reduction, Michael Anthonavage

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

Gua Sha

Gua Sha Kit With Lit From Within

Essential Ritual Kit with Gua Sha

LiftUp Facial @ Saving Faces 

NeoLifting Facial @ Saving Faces

Buccal Massage Add-On @ Saving Faces

DISCOVER MORE 

Filler 101

How To Gua Sha

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, Beauty Grass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

If you're listening to this on Apple, Spotify, or YouTube, head to our Substack for tons of detailed notes and links from the episode. 

EPISODE GEMS

Sunscreen: mineral vs chemical

The dirty secret in the industry

Food as sun care

The 2-finger rule

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

HelioCare

Neova's DNA Total Repair

Suntegrity Tinted 5-in-1 Sunscreen

Elta MD Sunscreen

Bask Sunscreen

DISCOVER MORE 

Natural Remedies for Hyperpigmentation and Melasma

5 Skincare tips for traveling

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO | Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, Beauty Grass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to a facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

EPISODE GEMS

The entire episode is a gem. Head to our Substack for written details on each food and a few extras.

Check your water quality and find a spring water source here

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

Retinol alternative: BeautyGrass MoonLitFromWithin face oil

Collagen-boosting skincare: BeautyGrass VibrantBoost face mist

Spirulina-infused skincare: BeautyGrass RadicalSeeker honey mask

DISCOVER MORE 

Learn more about active ingredient overload.

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO: Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, Beauty Grass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

The LitWithin podcast team is: Jenny Evans, Kirsten Ludwig, Chris Danton and Christina Hempstead

EPISODE GEMS

Our favorite trend was skin flooding. 

Jenny endorses kinesiology tape too (if you have the time and patience).

PRODUCTS MENTIONED

For hydration: BeautyGrass Vibrant Boost face mist

For Moisture (occlusives) - BeautyGrass Lit From Within and Moon Lit From Within face oils

Low-cost alternatives: Rosewater, Fresh aloe, Jojoba oil 

DISCOVER MORE 

Learn more about Jenny's takes on our Substack and in our Wisdom on our website.

Learn more about active ingredients in skincare here

GOOD TO KNOW

Our music is by the artist Fabian Küpper.  Learn more about his work and enjoy his soul-soothing handpan music on his website 

Connect with Kirsten’s company IN GOOD CO: Website I Substack I Insta I LinkedIn

Explore Jenny & Kirsten’s award-winning skincare brand, Beauty Grass I Website I Substack I Insta | TikTok 

Visiting LA? Treat yourself to facial with Jenny at Saving Faces: Website | Insta 

In each episode, I, Jenny Evans, celebrity esthetician and founder of BeuatyGrass, will be joined by my best friend, business partner, and partner-in-hilarity to bring you through a high vibrational beauty portal.

Every episode, we’ll dive into delightfully fun, often woo-woo, always helpful beauty and wellness things.

The theme will always be ‘more than skin deep’.

Expect fun things like:

✨ TikTok skincare trends (which ones I love and which ones I don’t)

✨ Deep dives into the oral microbiome and why I think it’s an under-the-radar health topic we should be talking about

✨ Unvarnished takes on Botox, filler, and everything else people are experimenting with.

✨ And so much more!

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