The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

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Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 11: Zhang Yimou, Zack Snyder, & the Mythological Imagination”:

Introduction:

* My “2025 Year in Review”

* The ALSCW 2025 Conference

* Elijah Perseus Blumov

* Zina Gomez-Liss and The Beauty of Things

* “The Beauty of Things” by Robinson Jeffers

* Zina’s ALSCW 2025 Conference write-up: “For the Psychopomps and Famous Letter Writers”

* My “Poetry and Mythology” panel paper: “Movies as Popular Poetry: Zhang Yimou, Zack Snyder, and the Mythological Imagination”

* Zhang Yimou

* Zack Snyder

On Movies and Popular Poetry:

* “Patronage” by Amit Majmudar

* Plato

* The Republic

* Homer

* Aristotle

* Nietzsche

* Thus Spoke Zarathustra

* Cinema

* The Poetics

* εἰκός

* ποί-ησις

* Plato’s Forms

* Tolkien’s “sub-creation”

* Heidegger’s “bringing-forth”

* Schopenhauer’s “representation”

* The Nicomachean Ethics

* Xenophon

* The Birth of Tragedy

* Pascal’s “Différence entre l’esprit de géométrie et l’esprit de finesse”

* Heraclitus’s “unity of opposites”

* Schopenhauer’s “will to life”

* Nietzsche’s “will to power”

* Civilization in Transition

On Zhang Yimou:

* The NYT’s 2004 interview with Zhang Yimou

* Virgil and his Aeneid

* China’s “Fifth Generation Filmmakers”

* Red Sorghum (1987)

* Raise the Red Lantern (1991)

* Hero (2002)

* Shadow (2018)

* Full River Red (2023)

* The 2008 Summer Olympics Opening Ceremony

* The Guardian’s 2004 interview with Zhang Yimou

* King Zheng of Qin

* The Tao Te Ching, Poem Two

* “Man Jiang Hong”

* “Red River” by Yue Fei, translated by Ethan McGuire in New Verse Review: A Journal of Lyric and Narrative Poetry

On Zack Snyder:

* The Aristophanic Adam Sandler as discussed by Eric McDonough, Sannah McDonough, and me

* Sndyer, as quoted by Rebecca Winters Keegan for TIME

* The Tang Dynasty’s “new-style poetry”

* Man of Steel (2013)

* Rebel Moon (2023 and 2024)

* “The Longhouse”

* Bronze Age Pervert

* Leo Strauss on “understanding the low in the light of the high” (in his 1965 book, Spinoza’s Critique of Religion)

* Homer’s epic meter

* Wagner’s operas

* Excalibur (1981)

* Jesus Christ

* Nietzsche’s Übermensch

* Peter Lawler on “Plato and the Man of Steel”

* The Antichrist

* The Anti-Christian

* Dawn of Justice

* “God is dead” (Nietzsche’s “Parable of the Madman”)

* Turki Al-Sheikh

* Aeschylus

* Twilight of the Gods (2024)

* The Twilight of the Idols

* Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks

In Conclusion:

* Yvor Winters

* “All-Under-Heaven”

* Elijah Blumov’s “The Iron Lyre: Poetry, Heavy Metal, and the New Sublime”

* The Chinese Written Character as a Medium for Poetry

* My “Against the Rotten Tomatoes/Letterboxd Consensus,” Nietzsche’s “yes to life,” Plato’s Eros, and Dante’s Love

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast’s intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 10: Adam Sandler the Artist, Pt. 2 (feat. Eric & Sannah McDonough)”:

* The Flummoxed Podcast “Ep. 9: Adam Sandler the Artist, Pt. 1 (feat. Eric & Sannah McDonough)”

* My 2 Sandler articles:

* “In Defense of the Real Adam Sandler” at The Dispatch

* “In Defense of the Real Adam Sandler” at The Flummoxed

* Adam Sandler

* Mr. Deeds

* Mr. Deeds Goes to Town

* Frank Capra

* The Waterboy

* “Canteen Boy”

* Hubie Halloween

* You Don’t Mess with the Zohan

* Spanglish

* Big Daddy

* The Cobbler

* Bedtime Stories

* The 2023 Mark Twain Prize for American Humor

* Pauline Kael’s “Trash, Art, & the Movies” in Harper’s

* Billy Wilder

* Preston Sturges

* Mike Judge

* Jack & Jill

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast’s intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 9: Adam Sandler the Artist, Pt. 1 (feat. Eric & Sannah McDonough)”:

* Adam Sandler

* “Against the Rotten Tomatoes/Letterboxd Consensus” on The Flummoxed

* “Poetry for the Public: When I Had a Poem in the South Wales Evening Post” on The Flummoxed

* Eric McDonough on X

* Sannah McDonough on X

* Eric McDonough on Letterboxd

* Eric and Sannah McDonough’s The Movie Shelf podcast

* Frank Capra

* Aristophanes

* My 2 Sandler articles:

* “In Defense of the Real Adam Sandler” at The Dispatch

* “In Defense of the Real Adam Sandler” at The Flummoxed

* “Defending Adam Sandler” at The Flummoxed

* “Adam Sandler the Artist, Pt. 1” at The Movie Shelf

* “Adam Sandler the Artist, Pt. 2” at The Movie Shelf

* Happy Gilmore

* The Cobbler

* Armond White

* Saturday Night Live

* “SNL Best of Adam Sandler” YouTube playlist

* Billy Madison

* Tim Herlihy

* A Christmas Story

* Back to School

* Big Daddy

* Eddie Murphy

* Shakespeare

* Steve Buscemi

* Little Nicky

* Punch-Drunk Love

* Roger Ebert’s review of Mr. Deeds

* Armond White’s review of Punch-Drunk Love

* Robert Altman

* Brad Pitt & Adam Sandler on Variety’s “Actors on Actors” series

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast’s intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 8: The Legend and Poetry of Yue Fei”:

* “Between the Hillocks” by Yue Fei in Literary Matters

* “A Poem at Galloping Horse Hill,” “Red River,” and “A Song of Drums” by Yue Fei in New Verse Review

* “The Echoes of Hooves,” “A River South,” and “Crossing the River” by Yue Fei in Blue Unicorn

* “Yue Fei: General, Poet, Legend” in New Verse Review

* “General Yue Fei: The Life, Death, & Poetry of a Warrior” in MW (“The Legend of Yue Fei”) and The Flummoxed

* Zhang Yimou’s Full River Red

* Eric McDonough and Matthew Buckley Smith

* The Chinese Song Dynasty

* The Jin-Song Wars

* “The Humiliation of Jingkang”

* Ci and Shi poetry

* Zhao Mengfu

* Li Qingzhao

* Li Bai

* Aaron Poochigian

* Classical Chinese and Middle Chinese

* Ezra Pound’s Cathay

* Arthur Waley’s A Hundred and Seventy Chinese Poems

* A.R. Davis’s The Penguin Book of Chinese Verse

* Ryan Wilson’s Proteus Bound

* Qin Hui

* Qian Cai’s General Yue Fei

* The Tao Te Ching of Lao Tzu

Other notes:

* All the translations in this episode are by me.

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 7: Beau is Afraid of Eros”:

* “Beau is Afraid: A Ramble”

* Beau is Afraid

* Ari Aster at UCSB

* “Behind the Scenes of Beau is Afraid”

* The Standard Edition of the Complete Works of Sigmund Freud

* Pascal’s Pensées

* C.S. Lewis’s That Hideous Strength, Chapter 14

* “Jungsferatu: Some Failures of One Seeker of the Sublime”

* Dante’s Paradiso XXXIII.85-87

* Plato’s Symposium

* Plato’s Apology

* Xenophon’s Memorabilia

* “A Diner for David Lynch: Poems in Remembrance of a Master”

* Eternal Stories from the Upanishads

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 6: Love, Liberty, & the Color Blue”:

* I Corinthians 13

* Three Colors: Blue

* The Three Colors trilogy

* Krzysztof Kieślowski

* Elijah Perseus Blumov

* Cameron Clark

* Aristotle's Poetics

* Versecraft

* Plato’s Republic

* Alice Allan

* Martin Scorsese’s The Film Foundation

* World Cinema Project

* Scorsese’s 2014 Salon interview

* Stanley Kubrick’s foreword to Kieslowski & Piesiewicz, Decalogue: The Ten Commandments

* Zhang Yimou

* Wong Kar-wai

* Andrzej Wajda

* Pawel Pawlikowski

* Nietzsche's “Parable of the Madman”

* Liberté, égalité, fraternité

* Roger Ebert on the Three Colors trilogy

* “The Art of Film, via Brat and Brooder,” Stephen Holden, The New York Times, Aug. 5, 1998

* Camera Buff (1979)

* Blind Chance (1987)

* Dekalog (1989-1990)

* The Double Life of Veronique (1991)

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 5: The Reaper’s Mixtape”:

* Apocalypse Dance

* My Apocalypse Dance prequel chapbook, Before Apokalypto

* The Flummoxed Podcast “Ep. 4: A Book’s Long Journey to Publication”

* Geoffrey Hill’s Speech! Speech!

* Zina Gomez-Liss, The Beauty of Things, and The Beauty of Things Podcast

* New Verse Review: A Journal of Lyric and Narrative Poetry

* Zina Gomez-Liss’s “Mixtapes Will Save Poetry” and “Love, Poetry, and Mixtapes”

* Matthew Buckley Smith and Sleerickets

* David Gosselin, Age of Muses, and a “New Summer Mixtape Series”

* Lao Tzu and the Tao Te Ching

* My “A Christian Reflection on the Tao Te Ching’s First Poem”

* Maryann Corbett’s “Capital Improvements: The Initial-Caps Wars” at Literary Matters

* Bob Dylan’s “Every Grain of Sand”

* Marcus Aurelius’s Meditations, Book 4

* The Struma, or Strymon, River

* Genesis 19

* Leonard Cohen’s “The Future”

* General Yue Fei and my Yue Fei translations project, as described at New Verse Review

* The Confucian Classic Book of Rites

* Hurricane Sally, 2020

* C.S. Lewis’s The Abolition of Man

* Sylvia Plath’s “Fever 103°”

* Metallica’s “Through the Never” (written by James Alan Hetfield)

* My “The Reaper’s Revelation”

* Dana Gioia’s “Poetry as Enchantment” at Wide-Eyed with Wiseblood Books

* Basho’s The Narrow Road to the Deep North

“The Reaper’s Mixtape” “track list”:

* “F r a g m e n t s”

* “Salt”

* “Damned Winter”

* “The Old Gods”

* “Between the Hillocks”

* “Hurricane Sally Aftermath”

* “Fever of the Tao”

* “Welcome to Eternity”

* “Autumn Wind/Winter Rush”

* “Red Christmas Kettles”

* “December Sunset”

* “The King and Queen of Neon”

* “The Bluegrass Players”

Other notes:

* When I say that in “F r a g m e n t s” each 2nd half of each line in each quatrain contains 2 beats, then 3 beats, then 2, then 3—as the inverse of the ballad poetic form’s arrangement of metrical feet (4, 3, 4, 3)—I neglected to say that in each instance I consider the 1st half of each line an additional 1 beat (despite often technically having more than that), which of course is necessary to fulfill my “inverse of the ballad.”

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 4: A Book’s Long Journey to Publication”:

* My first full-length book, a poetry collection, Apocalypse Dance

* My first chapbook, Songs for Christmas

* My second chapbook, Before Apokalypto

* The Flummoxed Podcast, “Ep. 3: For Father’s Day”

* The Flummoxed Podcast, “Ep. 3.1: Ozark Elegy”

* Eric McDonough

* The National Gallery of Art’s Christoph Murer collection

* The Adobe Minion/Minion Pro font

* The Sorts Mill Goudy font

* The Goudy/Goudy Old Style font

* Midlife by Matthew Buckley Smith

* Dana Gioia’s “Poetry as Enchantment” at Wiseblood Books

* Dana Gioia’s Poetry as Enchantment and Other Essays at Paul Dry Books

* Dr. Lesa Seibert at Bob Jones University

* E.D. - Music, Movies, Etc.

* The West Florida Literary Federation/Emerald Coast Writers

* The Rabbit Room

* Dana Gioia

* Amit Majmudar

* James Matthew Wilson

* Sleerickets

* Alice Allan

* Elijah Perseus Blumov

* Cameron Clark

* Wipf & Stock

* Gregory Wolfe and Slant Books

* Pericles, in Thucydides’s History of the Peloponnesian War

* Elijah, the prophets of Baal, and the little cloud

* Speech! Speech! by Geoffrey Hill, to borrow or purchase at the Internet Archive

* Ryan Wilson

* Literary Matters

* Hero (2002), dir. Zhang Yimou

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 3.1: Ozark Elegy”:

* The Flummoxed Podcast “Ep. 3: For Father’s Day”

* My short story “Ozark Elegy”

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon and GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 3: For Father’s Day”:

* Cormac McCarthy & No Country for Old Men

* Dante’s Divine Comedy, esp. Purgatorio

* Father’s Day

* Alice Allan

* “Fishing” by A.E. Stallings

* Elijah Perseus Blumov’s Versecraft ep. on “Fishing”

* “Father and Child” by Gwen Harwood (perhaps someone can suggest a better link?)

* My chapbook Songs for Christmas

* My poem “Father and Son”

* My book Apocalypse Dance

* My poem “The Bluegrass Players”

Other notes:

* Thank you for bearing with me as I improve my editing skills!

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire.

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app, and leave the show a rating, a like, and a comment wherever you can!

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack

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Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon or GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 2: The Mind of God and the Mind of Man”:

* The original The Flummoxed “The Mind of God and the Mind of Man” piece

* The Flummoxed “About”

* The Flummoxed Podcast, “Ep. 1: Mother’s Day and Nurses Week”

* “Borges on Life and Death” in The New York Times

* “Inferno I, 32” by Jorge Luis Borges

* “Paradiso XXXI, 108” by Jorge Luis Borges

* Dante’s Divine Comedy, Inferno, Canto 1

* The Book of Romans

* The Book of Isaiah

* The Book of Job

Other notes:

* Check out my recent appearance on the Sleerickets podcast!

* I apologize for the too-frequent clicks and a few notification sounds. This podcast is, for now, lo-fi, but even then I am (perhaps too slowly) refining it.

* Sorry for the mispronunciations! I will do better.

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.

The Flummoxed Podcast is a supplement to The Flummoxed Substack

The Flummoxed Substack is a collection of criticism, essays, fiction, poetry, and translations by Ethan McGuire

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Podcast at The Flummoxed Substack or on your favorite podcasting app. And leave the show a rating wherever you can!

Subscribe to The Flummoxed Substack at TheFlummoxed.Substack.com

Buy my debut poetry book, Apocalypse Dance! And leave it a rating at Amazon or GoodReads.

Some of the topics mentioned in “Ep. 1: Mother’s Day and Nurses Week”:

* Zina Gomez-Liss

* Steve Knepper

* New Verse Review

* Elijah Perseus Blumov

* Versecraft

* “Gone Substackin’” and the Li Bai poem

* “The New Flummoxed + A Writing Tour”

* Apocalypse Dance

* Before Apokalypto

* Songs for Christmas

* Aristotle’s Poetics

* The Flummoxed “About”

* J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring

* Mother’s Day

* Nurses Week

* "COVID-19 Sidewalk Chalk 4-16-2020"

* "On Another Average Evening" at The New Verse News

* Rattle: Poets Respond

* “Dear Mom”

* "Mother Charity" at Fevers of the Mind

* “Saint Monica” at Agape Review

* The title “Saint Monica” is a reference to the mother of Saint Augustine

* “Butchering” by Rhina P. Espaillat

Other great podcasts to enjoy:

* Sleerickets

* The New Thinkery

* Versecraft

* Poetry Says

Contact me at The Flummoxed Substack.

The Flummoxed Podcast's intro music is by Ricky Skaggs and Tony Rice. The art is by Ethan McGuire and cottonbro studio.