What if the key to flourishing leadership isn’t doing more—but changing small, everyday interactions?

In this insightful and highly practical episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, Deborah Owen sits down with Harvard-trained social researcher and bestselling author Shaunti Feldhahn to explore:

✅ Why small behavioral shifts can dramatically change relationships and outcomes

✅ How hidden assumptions shape the way we lead and relate to others

✅ The surprising role of kindness as a driver of motivation, connection, and well-being

✅ How leaders can prevent burnout by creating safe, honest conversations

✅ Why instilling hope may be one of the most powerful tools leaders have

Drawing from decades of research, Shaunti shares how something as simple as reframing a question, offering genuine affirmation, or practicing consistent kindness can retrain our thinking—and transform our leadership and relationships.

She also introduces the powerful 30-Day Kindness Challenge, a practical framework that has helped improve 89% of relationships by reshaping mindset and behavior over time.

🎧 Listen now to discover how small shifts can lead to lasting change—and how flourishing leadership is built one interaction at a time.

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🔗 Learn more about Shaunti Feldhahn and her work:https://shaunti.com/

🔗 Listen to Shaunti’s podcast, I Wish You Could Hear This:https://shaunti.com/podcast/

Find out more in Shaunti’s books:https://shaunti.com/books-and-studies/

How have small shifts—or acts of kindness—changed your leadership or relationships? Share your thoughts in the comments!

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books, When Sorrow Speaks:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24 

The Advent books, The Awaiting:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1Z6QHP5?binding=kindle_edition&qid=1776132046&sr=1-18&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tkin 

Tags:leadership, Shaunti Feldhahn, Deborah Owen, kindness, emotional intelligence, workplace culture, leadership development, human flourishing, relationships, burnout prevention, motivation, connection, neuroscience, habits, Christian leadership, resilience, flourishing leadership, tough times, leadership podcast, personal growth

Truth, Loyalty, and Leadership; A Conversation with Ex-JAG Margaret Donovan.

What happens when the people in charge stop leading?

In this compelling episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, Deborah Owen sits down with former Army JAG officer and Assistant U.S. Attorney Margaret Donovan to explore what real leadership looks like when institutions are strained and credibility is on the line.

They discuss:

✅ Why holding a title doesn’t make someone a leader

✅ How “loyalty” without truth corrodes integrity

✅ The hidden cost of speaking out in volatile systems

✅ Why mentorship anchors leaders in moments of crisis

✅ How to fortify your character before you find yourself in the foxhole

Drawing from her experience in the military and the Department of Justice, Margaret reflects on moral courage, institutional accountability, and why citizens are not required to accept every official as a model of leadership.

🎧 Listen now and discover what it truly means to lead when it costs something.

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What distinguishes a leader from someone who simply holds power? Share your thoughts below.

Margaret teaches at Yale Law School and writes publicly on issues of leadership and institutional accountability.

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

Links to the Lent series, “When Sorrow Speaks”https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24?binding=kindle_edition&ref_=dbs_s_ks_series_rwt_tkin&qid=1774199947&sr=1-1

Links to the Advent series, “The Awaiting” https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1Z6QHP5?binding=paperback&searchxofy=true&ref_=dbs_s_aps_series_rwt_tpbk&qid=1774199908&sr=8-1

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Leading from Secure Love: Attachment & Transformation with Cyd Holsclaw

What if the key to courageous leadership isn’t better strategy—but healing your attachment wounds?

In this deep and insightful episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, Deborah Owen sits down with spiritual director and coach Cyd Holsclaw to explore:

✅ Why attachment theory matters for leaders

✅ How healing anxious or avoidant patterns transforms how we show up

✅ How spiritual formation begins with secure love, not striving

✅ Practical ways to stay grounded in God’s delight when leading under pressure

With honesty and grace, Cyd shares how she moved from self-protection and perfectionism to secure, embodied leadership—grounded in the love of God and the safety of connection.

🎧 Listen now and discover how attachment healing can lead to greater wholeness, resilience, and freedom in your leadership journey.

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🔗 Learn more about Cyd Holsclaw and her book Landscapes of the Soul: https://www.cydholsclaw.com/

🔗Or at the Center for Embodied Faith: https://www.embodiedfaith.life/

How have attachment patterns shaped your own leadership story? Let us know in the comments!

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books, "When Sorrow Speaks": https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24?binding=paperback&searchxofy=true&ref_=dbs_s_aps_series_rwt_tpbk&qid=1773679851&sr=8-1

The Advent books, "The Awaiting": https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1Z6QHP5?binding=kindle_edition&ref_=dbs_s_ks_series_rwt_tkin&qid=1773679928&sr=1-1

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What does it mean to care for minds, bodies, and spirits in an era of burnout, division, and disconnection?

In this insightful and deeply grounded episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen speaks with Dori Gorman, Association Chaplain for the YMCA of Middle Tennessee, about how chaplaincy can reweave the fabric of community and well-being in unexpected spaces. Together, they explore:

✅ Leading from authenticity and vulnerability in non-traditional roles

✅ How whole-person wellness requires integrating spiritual and mental health

✅ Bringing chaplaincy into public life—and why it matters now more than ever

✅ Creating sacred space for staff, members, and volunteers in secular contexts

✅ Holding space for grief, complexity, and hope as a form of leadership

Drawing from her experience as a pastor, church planter, chaplain, and spiritual companion, Dori shares how courageous leadership begins with presence, listening, and a deep commitment to human dignity.

🎧 Listen now for a conversation that reframes leadership not as power over, but as care within—especially in the spaces where people often feel unseen.

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🔗 Learn more about Dori Gorman’s work with the YMCA’s Spirit & Mind program: (https://www.ymcamidtn.org/programs/he...)

How are you holding space for others—and yourself—this season? Share your reflections below.

====HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books, "When Sorrow Speaks"

The Advent books, "The Awaiting"

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Tags: leadership, flourishing leadership, Deborah Owen, Dori Gorman, YMCA, chaplaincy, whole-person wellness, spiritual care, mental health, nonprofit leadership, grief and hope, servant leadership, spiritual formation, resilience, inclusive leadership, vocation, rooted and rising, listening, secular chaplaincy, pastoral care, tough times, leadership podcast

What does it mean to lead faithfully in seasons of uncertainty, change, and sacred pause?

In this grounded and reflective episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen sits down with Rev. Dr. Karen Georgia Thompson—General Minister and President of the United Church of Christ—to explore:

✅ How leadership is a spiritual journey of becoming, not arriving

✅ Why liminal spaces are fertile ground for transformation

✅ Finding joy and rootedness as antidotes to fragmentation and despair

✅ The role of kindness, clarity, and grace in leading divided communities

✅ How God’s “bigness” holds us through the unpredictable and unfinished

With pastoral wisdom and poetic vision, Dr. Thompson invites listeners to rethink leadership not as mastery, but as movement; an unfolding life with God through every threshold we face.

Tune in now to rediscover the sacredness of the in-between, and how to flourish even when the path isn’t yet clear.

Resources & Next Steps

--Learn more about the United Church of Christ: www.ucc.org

--Connect with Rev. Dr. Karen Georgia Thompson’s leadership: UCC Newsroom

--Reflect on your own season of becoming: Where are you being invited to trust the process, not rush the outcome?

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books, "When Sorrow Speaks"

The Advent books, "The Awaiting"

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Season 1, Episode 8

How do we lead with both courage and compassion in a world that glorifies burnout and hierarchy?

In this soulful and expansive episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen is joined by renowned global advocate Kavita N. Ramdas to explore:

✅ What it means to lead with others instead of over them

✅ The power of rest and self-care as forms of resistance and renewal

✅ Navigating the tension between patience and courage in moments of injustice

✅ Why flourishing leadership begins with following, listening, and community

✅ How nature and diversity teach us about sustainability and strength

With wisdom drawn from decades of activism, philanthropy, and feminist leadership, Kavita offers a radical re-visioning of what flourishing looks like in tough times—not as individual triumph, but as collective, interconnected resilience.

Tune in now to reflect on how you lead, when you rest, and the kind of world we’re called to co-create.

Resources & Next Steps

Learn more about Kavita’s current work: www.knrsisters.com

Reflect on your own leadership model—where do you need more community, more rest, more courage?(Apologies for a few technical issues.)

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books, When Sorrow Speaks

The Advent books, The Awaiting.

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leadership, feminist leadership, flourishing, community, courage, rest, activism, human rights, justice, burnout, spiritual leadership, self-care, nature, Kavita Ramdas, Deborah Owen, tough times, global equity, podcast

How do leaders stay grounded, wise, and resilient during life’s toughest seasons?

In this inspiring episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, Deborah Owen sits down with Tammy Dunahoo, Executive Dean of Portland Seminary, to explore:

✅ How internal formation shapes external leadership

✅ Practical wisdom and discernment for making decisions

✅ Viewing leadership as stewardship, not identity

✅ Building supportive communities for honest reflection

✅ Practices to maintain rootedness and flourish under pressure

Tammy shares powerful insights on transforming challenges into opportunities for growth, staying humble in leadership, and embracing wisdom as the hallmark of spiritual maturity.

🎧 Listen now and discover how to lead with courage, humility, and resilience.

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🔗 Learn more about Tammy Dunahoo: https://www.georgefox.edu/seminary/fa...

What’s the biggest challenge you face in staying rooted as a leader? Share your thoughts below!

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:The Lent books.The Advent books.

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Art as Witness: Grace Carol Bomer on Suffering, Paradox, and Hope

What if making art is an act of both resistance and reverence?

In this luminous and layered episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen sits down with Grace Carol Bomer—a visual artist whose textured, theologically rich mixed-media work grapples with the ache of a broken world and the beauty of God’s redemptive story.

Together they explore:

✅ Why art is an act of faith—and of seeing the unseen✅ How paradox and pain give shape to deeper hope✅ The artist’s vocation as both witness and truth-teller✅ The quiet resistance of making beauty in a disordered world✅ How Scripture, suffering, and silence shape a life of creative prayer

With depth and honesty, Grace shares how her life and work are anchored in the “already and not yet”—where longing and the love of God meet, where art becomes a way of wrestling, and where God’s presence emerges through shadow and light.

🎧 Tune in now to discover how faithful artistry can help us name the pain of the world, bear witness to grace, and live more fully into hope.

🖼 Resources & Next Steps:– Learn more about Grace’s art and writing at: https://gracecarolbomer.com/–

Explore the Rooted & Rising series at: https://debbieowen.substack.com/–

Reflect this week: Where might God be inviting you to pay attention—to beauty, to brokenness, or to the holy paradoxes in your own life?

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HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books.

The Advent books.

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Tags: art, theology, suffering, paradox, Christian creativity, beauty, hope, Grace Carol Bomer, Deborah Owen, visual art, spiritual formation, lament, flourishing in hard times, witness, faith and art, podcast

Shaping Leadership Through Personal Stories | A Conversation with Jennifer Holberg

What kind of story are you living—and how does that shape your leadership?

In this rich and reflective episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen welcomes Jennifer Holberg—Professor of English at Calvin University, co-director of the Calvin Center for Faith & Writing, and author of Nourishing Narratives—for a heartfelt conversation about:

✅ How the stories we tell shape who we are and how we lead

✅ Why joy is not a luxury, but essential to resilience

✅ Cultivating hope, wonder, and spiritual imagination as daily practices

✅ Navigating institutional pressures with integrity and courage

✅ The power of narrative to reframe difficulty and root us in meaning

With grace and wisdom, Jennifer shares how reading, writing, and reflecting on story can help leaders flourish—not by escaping struggle, but by paying deeper attention to what matters most.

🎧 Tune in now to explore how a life grounded in joy, imagination, and narrative truth can transform the way you lead.

Resources & Next Steps–

Learn more about Jennifer Holberg’s writing and work: https://www.jenniferholberg.com/

– Buy Nourishing Narratives: https://amzn.to/49H9Il6

– Explore the Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times series at https://debbieowen.substack.com/

– Reflect this week: What story are you telling yourself—and is it nourishing your leadership?

Here are the Neuro-Based Enneagram Devotional books mentioned in the episode:

The Lent books: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24?binding=paperback&qid=1768616409&sr=8-1&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tpbk

The Advent books: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1Z6QHP5?binding=paperback&qid=1768620554&sr=8-5&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tpbk

Tags: leadership, narrative identity, Jennifer Holberg, Deborah Owen, joy in leadership, resilience, spiritual formation, vocation, story and meaning, hope, imagination, Christian leadership, reading and writing, flourishing, rooted and rising, leadership podcast

Becoming a Leader: It’s About Place, Not Pace | A Conversation with Karise Hutchinson

What if true leadership isn’t about running faster—but about being fully present where you are?

In this spacious and deeply personal episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen sits down with Karise Hutchinson— professor, leadership mentor, and faith-formed thinker—to explore:

✅ Why God is more interested in place than pace

✅ How integrated leadership begins with wholeness—head, heart, and soul

✅ What it means to lead from authenticity rather than achievement

✅ The importance of presence, rest, and relational rootedness in a hurried world

✅ How spiritual formation and self-knowledge shape wise, embodied leadership

With warmth and insight, Karise invites listeners to slow down, to lead from within, and to rediscover that flourishing leadership is less about performance and more about presence—where God meets us in the ordinary rhythms of life and work.

🎧 Tune in now to reflect on what it means to become a leader who is grounded, grace-filled, and truly at home in the place God has planted you.

Resources & Next Steps– Learn more about Dr. Karise Hutchinson’s leadership and writing: Illuminaire Leadership: https://www.illuminaireleadership.com/

Substack, Leadership Letters: https://substack.com/@illuminaireleadership?utm_campaign=profile&utm_medium=profile-page –

Explore the Rooted & Rising series at https://debbieowen.substack.com/

– Reflect this week: Where might God be inviting you to slow your pace so your roots can grow deeper?

HERE ARE THE NEURO-BASED ENNEAGRAM BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode:

The Lent books: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24?binding=paperback&qid=1768616409&sr=8-1&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tpbk

The Advent books: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0G1Z6QHP5?binding=paperback&qid=1768620554&sr=8-5&ref=dbs_dp_rwt_sb_pc_tpbk

Tags: leadership, spiritual formation, presence, pace, wholeness, Christian leadership, resilience, Karise Hutchinson, Deborah Owen, faith, authenticity, rest, integrated leadership, vocation, tough times, flourishing leadership, podcast

Building Connection: Music, Neuroscience, and Community with Julia Edwards

What does it look like to teach—and lead—with creativity, compassion, and curiosity in a time of collective stress and disconnection?

In this engaging and hope-filled episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen sits down with Julia Edwards, 2026 Maine Teacher of the Year and choral music educator, to explore:

✅ How music builds bridges across generations, cultures, and identities

✅ Why understanding the brain is essential for compassionate, effective teaching

✅ Creating a classroom culture of safety, inquiry, and belonging

✅ Leading through change while staying rooted in joy and purpose

✅ Using music and somatic tools to stay grounded as a leader

Julia’s passion for neuroscience, equity, and creative education shines through as she shares how music can be a vehicle for community-building, healing, and transformation.

🎧 Listen now to be inspired by a leader whose classroom is a sanctuary for growth—and whose leadership flows from deep integrity and heart.

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🔗 Learn more about Julia Edwards and her work: https://juliaedwardsmusic.com/

🧠 What role has music played in your own story of resilience or connection? Share your thoughts below!

THE BOOKS MENTIONED in the middle of the show can be found here.

The new books for Lent should be available by the end of January, 2026.

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Rooted & Rising: Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times — Setting the Table

How do leaders flourish without losing themselves—especially in seasons of complexity, fatigue, and unseen responsibility?

In this opening episode of Flourishing Leadership in Tough Times, host Deborah Owen is joined by trusted colleague and friend Kari Kinard, for a mutual conversation that sets the tone for the season.

Together, they explore leadership as formation, not performance—and what it means to lead from the inside out over time.

This episode invites listeners into a spacious, honest conversation about leadership, limits, and hope, including:

✅ Why so many thoughtful leaders are exhausted—even when they’re doing meaningful work

✅ What it means to lead from the inside out in real life

✅ How overwhelm and burnout often signal misalignment, not failure

✅ Staying rooted with integrity while rising with courage

✅ Why leadership formation happens slowly, relationally, and beneath the surface

🎧 Listen now and begin a season of conversations centered on formation, wisdom, and resilient hope.

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💬 What helps you stay grounded when leadership feels heavy? Share your reflections below.

HERE ARE THE BOOKS mentioned in the middle of the episode.

Lent devotional books: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GGQBSX24?binding=paperback&searchxofy=true&ref_=dbs_s_aps_series_rwt_tpbk&qid=1774203302&sr=8-1

Advent devotional books: https://www.amazon.com/Awaiting-Caregiving-Neuro-Based-Devotional-Devotionals/dp/B0G24W3N5H/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Ubz6QUR9ZdqaenKeaigTyQnkbpP5WSWBM2iWHeO1Je_GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.-azhLP8vKnyFGgFbAfIiSjmEwtCGXDc2BeaLNCEusuM&qid=1774203347&sr=1-1

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